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Hedley 08-11-2020 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by HotDogSonicBoom (Post 3108808)
Man I’m hoping it’s more. Maybe I need a dose of reality but I am gonna be optimistic. As a new hire FO, almost all of my turbine time is in a 1900 in 135 flying. I’m lucky to have got hired for a SA227 single seat gig, but it’s 135 time, and lots of it. I really don’t know how, and if I’ll be competitive in a few years with so little 121 time. I figure taking this job is better growth for me than getting into the MESA hiring pool. Who friggin knows man.

However, this interview is something so I’m all for it. I’m hoping I’m able to give the ole college try in a few years (lol decade), let alone be mentally and professionally prepared for it. But anything that comes my way when hiring starts and I am in. Especially back into 121 flying

People put too much emphasis on the 121 aspect of an applicant’s time. What they want is command turbine/jet time. Most people getting hired at the legacies have 121 time simply because that is where most of the time building jobs are. There are plenty of military pilots hired with zero 121 time. There aren’t as many corporate pilots hired, not because they are not desirable, but because it can be a really slow path to the airlines, and far fewer people go that way which results in a smaller pool of applicants. The important thing is the quality of your application, not what chapter of the FAR’s you built your time.

Puck Hawg 08-11-2020 08:10 PM

Two things.

1.) If you don’t have a degree, grab it. California Coast University is all online, self paced, and they give you a TON of credits for your aviation licenses. I had about a years worth of community college credits and enough flying credits to where I only needed 30-40 more credits. Cost is about $10k and you pay as you go.

2.) Don’t trust United. Do not hold out hope for United. Yes, I got f*cked in the CPP, but turns out, it was the best thing to ever happen to me. United doesn’t give two craps about you, ExpressJet, their passengers, or anything other than the bottom line (Commutair, ‘nuff said). All they’re doing is putting one last carrot out there to make sure there schedules are covered through Fall.

Atlas is hiring, K4 is hiring (with a Boeing type), and of course UPS/FedEx are the golden gems and they’re hiring.

If we’ve flown together and you have a Boeing type, PM me if you’re looking for a job at K4. G4***

freezingflyboy 08-12-2020 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Arliss (Post 3108555)
I thought I remember they couldn't reassign you past the end of your trip without your permission. One time they called me after the last leg as asked me if I was willing to cover an additional turn for 150%. Every time I had a day off rolled it was due to factors beyond the company's control; typically a cancellation at an outstation.

Aren't you precious!:D
It was never an "option", especially for reserves. One of the weakest parts of the contract IMHO, not that it matters now. They may have phrased it as you doing a favor for them, but the reality is that if they were out of options and you were getting junior manned, tough noogies. I believe the only legal refusal of an extension was for child care issues. It was lucrative, make no mistake, but at some point the disruption to your life just isn't worth it.

There was a period probably around 2013-2014 where staffing was short and the abuse, especially for reserves, was rampant and mean-spirited. I spent nearly 5 years on reserve (relief line once or twice) after I upgraded and got to see all kinds of shenanigans. Rolled days off were expected. I always packed for two days longer than my reserve commitment. Once had them try to roll me into a THIRD day off (SEVEN total on the road) and refused because I was out of clean underwear. Cancelling deadheads and hotel reservations for pilots that didn't acknowledge changes to schedules, trying to get hotel staff and non-company gate agents and rampers to reassign pilots at outstations. My favorite was having my day off rolled to fly trips in the right seat when FO reserves were available and red flag was not offered to FOs. That happened more than once. When I fought back against it the explanation I was given "We have plenty of CAs available and are short on FOs. And we're not required to offer red flag pay". I loved my time at ExpressJet but make no mistake, there were some dark days, mostly after the acquisition by SkyPest.

xjtdisp 08-14-2020 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Puck Hawg (Post 3108827)
Two things.

1.) If you don’t have a degree, grab it. California Coast University is all online, self paced, and they give you a TON of credits for your aviation licenses. I had about a years worth of community college credits and enough flying credits to where I only needed 30-40 more credits. Cost is about $10k and you pay as you go.

2.) Don’t trust United. Do not hold out hope for United. Yes, I got f*cked in the CPP, but turns out, it was the best thing to ever happen to me. United doesn’t give two craps about you, ExpressJet, their passengers, or anything other than the bottom line (Commutair, ‘nuff said). All they’re doing is putting one last carrot out there to make sure there schedules are covered through Fall.

Atlas is hiring, K4 is hiring (with a Boeing type), and of course UPS/FedEx are the golden gems and they’re hiring.

If we’ve flown together and you have a Boeing type, PM me if you’re looking for a job at K4. G4***

All this. ☝🏻 I had an associates degree and finished up a bachelors at CCU in nine months, all online, all at my own pace, for about 7k. Let’s just say the work was, uhh, very easy. Was good enough for Purple.

nuball5 08-14-2020 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3108800)
LCC’s are a great option, especially if you live in a base. Getting the degree won’t be easy, but it can be done. It may take loans, working several jobs, and a ton of sacrifice, but it’s obtainable. It’s also a good story for an interview to show that you are determined, that you have a strong work ethic, blah, blah blah. They eat that stuff up. The bottom line is that if someone hopes to get a job offer from a guaranteed interview with United, they better have the degree. If they would be happy at a LCC or ACMI, then go down that path and enjoy life. If working for American, Delta, Southwest, United, or FedEx is desired, make the degree happen. I personally think that 10,000 hours at a regional, a spotless training record, and multiple type ratings says far more about an applicant than a bachelors degree in art history, but those who are in charge of hiring see things differently. A few years ago, I tried to help a friend get hired who had lots of jet PIC, plus significant time in 737’s and 747’s, but only an associates degree. The pilot that I walked in his resume to was very involved in the hiring process, but he just handed me the resume back and told me to come back when he had a 4 year degree.

Good luck moving forward even getting hired at LCC’s like Alaska, Frontier, Jetblue or Spirit without a degree. The line between a Legacy and a LCC has been blurred anyway since they all signed new CBAs. Now there’s hardly any difference, except retirements, now that the Legacies will have to operate like very large LCC’s to gain domestic market share. The need for international widebody flying seems like it’ll be a fraction of what it was before. That’s evident with Airbus increasing their focus on building the A321XLR.

DirkDiggler 08-14-2020 01:14 PM

Like XJT.com currently states, you can apply at CommutAir no problem. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing has been planned for the past year. Reset the old longevity scale.

CommutAir currently has job openings, and these can be found on the CommutAir Careers page at: https://www.flycommutair.com/careers/.

ExpressJet HR is working with CommutAir and will also feature a link to their Careers page on the XJT.com site. You can reach it through the Human Resources dropdown tab, then click Careers and View Careers, and you will be brought to the single sign-on for the ExpressJet Careers page that will have a link to CommutAir Careers.

Hedley 08-14-2020 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3110047)
Good luck moving forward even getting hired at LCC’s like Alaska, Frontier, Jetblue or Spirit without a degree. The line between a Legacy and a LCC has been blurred anyway since they all signed new CBAs. Now there’s hardly any difference, except retirements, now that the Legacies will have to operate like very large LCC’s to gain domestic market share. The need for international widebody flying seems like it’ll be a fraction of what it was before. That’s evident with Airbus increasing their focus on building the A321XLR.

That’s even more reason to make sure that people have it. Not having a degree really limits where they can work, and practically eliminates the chances of working where they would like to work.

tallpilot 08-14-2020 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3110073)
That’s even more reason to make sure that people have it. Not having a degree really limits where they can work, and practically eliminates the chances of working where they would like to work.

The good news is the online options have made it much easier for working pilots to finish up where they left off and get a big boost from having ratings. However one day all pilots will have a degree then they will have to add something else to narrow down the stack.

SoFloFlyer 08-14-2020 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3110074)
The good news is the online options have made it much easier for working pilots to finish up where they left off and get a big boost from having ratings. However one day all pilots will have a degree then they will have to add something else to narrow down the stack.

Like a shuttle landings two

CLE to IAH 08-15-2020 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3110148)
Like a shuttle landings two

uh..... what?


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