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amcnd 08-18-2020 08:11 PM
There going with there own fresh certificate...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...CLZ?li=BBnbklE

SeeYa 08-19-2020 04:40 AM
Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3111978)
There going with there own fresh certificate...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...CLZ?li=BBnbklE
they're their

filler

Av8rPHX 08-20-2020 11:30 PM
No. They are getting a new factory fresh certificate,not a certified pre owned one


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idlethrust 08-21-2020 07:00 AM
Originally Posted by Av8rPHX (Post 3113290)
No. They are getting a new factory fresh certificate,not a certified pre owned one


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Because Alpa demanded the pilot contract for compass or xjt be honored by the certificate holder , whoever that may be and breeze said go pound sand we will get our own without any demands on pay and work rules

climb150 08-21-2020 08:48 AM
Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3113400)
Because Alpa demanded the pilot contract for compass or xjt be honored by the certificate holder , whoever that may be and breeze said go pound sand we will get our own without any demands on pay and work rules
How can a union make demands on a new owner?

Hedley 08-21-2020 08:57 AM
Originally Posted by climb150 (Post 3113461)
How can a union make demands on a new owner?
They can’t. Previous agreements were with the company, not the certificate.

pangolin 08-21-2020 09:08 AM
Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3113467)
They can’t. Previous agreements were with the company, not the certificate.
An argument can be made that the company is based on the certificate.

Hedley 08-21-2020 09:17 AM
Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3113481)
An argument can be made that the company is based on the certificate.
An airline requires a certificate to operate. Any union contract is between that union and the company. When the company goes away, so does the contract. After the airline is gone if someone were to buy the certificate and start another airline, there would be no obligation to honor previous agreements or hire former employees. In this case it could be that amending the XJT certificate to do what they wanted was more trouble and expense than just starting from scratch.

pangolin 08-21-2020 10:11 AM
Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3113487)
An airline requires a certificate to operate. Any union contract is between that union and the company. When the company goes away, so does the contract. After the airline is gone if someone were to buy the certificate and start another airline, there would be no obligation to honor previous agreements or hire former employees. In this case it could be that amending the XJT certificate to do what they wanted was more trouble and expense than just starting from scratch.
ALPA did right for the compass pilot group. It also sent a message to Breeze.

rickair7777 08-21-2020 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3113481)
An argument can be made that the company is based on the certificate.
No it can't.


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