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Old 01-05-2021, 05:09 PM   #21  
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Went on the xjt website because I needed an address to put on an application. Lo and behold their profile says ďtheir goal for 2021 and beyond are to fly point to point to medium and small sized cities that have lost service.Ē
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I feel it especially for the guys with 121 PRIA skeletons. Theyíll hire CFIís with no skeletons before those poor souls with turbine time. Multiple PRIA event failures? It will be YEARS before a call. Better go find a new career.

If ALPA wants to do any good with this specific pilot group, they call each of those specific men and women to instill a reality check. Iíd hate to see some previous 121 pilot potentially a month a way from riding the left seat instructing students for years before receiving another call. Just really sad man.
The larger argument is to not get involved.Iíve been watching countless YouTube videos of pilots saying itís all cyclical. Most of those saying this havenít gone even one month without income.
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Old 01-06-2021, 10:19 AM   #23  
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No. ALPA has no influence on HR practices
depends on the carrier. United has a hiring process in partnership with alpa. An alpa pilot sits on the interview panel and has a vote on the candidate. Honestly, with the milenials running hr who have zero understanding of what a pilot does, itís good to have someone with experience on the review board. The only things hr knows is ď did you volunteer at a leper colony recently?... you did?! Great youíre hired!Ē
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what in the world are you talking about man? 100% fear mongering.
Itís not fear mongering. If youíre less than 5 years in you know nothing of what the industry is actually about. The guys that have made it through unscathed have sat on the same seniority list for over 10 years while not having their airline fail. The minute you lose the seniority and start over itís terrible as some are finding out. 2 years before they start calling, maybe more, then they call the most qualified first (the guys with no PRIA failures).

If you had hiccups or skeletons in 2019 it didnít matter. How long will that take again?? Not when will they start hiring, when will they start hiring men and women with training failures? My guess is AT LEAST 5-10 years. Is factor that into starting on day one regional pay, 4+ years of upgrade time.

As I stated, go find a new career, because the dream is over.
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Itís not fear mongering. If youíre less than 5 years in you know nothing of what the industry is actually about. The guys that have made it through unscathed have sat on the same seniority list for over 10 years while not having their airline fail. The minute you lose the seniority and start over itís terrible as some are finding out. 2 years before they start calling, maybe more, then they call the most qualified first (the guys with no PRIA failures).

If you had hiccups or skeletons in 2019 it didnít matter. How long will that take again?? Not when will they start hiring, when will they start hiring men and women with training failures? My guess is AT LEAST 5-10 years. Is factor that into starting on day one regional pay, 4+ years of upgrade time.

As I stated, go find a new career, because the dream is over.
Thatís the part that sucks... starting over at year one pay at a regional. Itís either that or to fly cargo for atlas with more pay but a really extended time away from home reducing quality of life. I hope things turn around faster than your prediction but reflecting on the lost decade and hearing those stories of no movement stuck in the right seat for 7+ years makes me cautious about jumping out there at the one who have called. Career change had happened and seems a lot more stable for the time but man I miss flying the jet.. not being on the road
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Thatís the part that sucks... starting over at year one pay at a regional. Itís either that or to fly cargo for atlas with more pay but a really extended time away from home reducing quality of life. I hope things turn around faster than your prediction but reflecting on the lost decade and hearing those stories of no movement stuck in the right seat for 7+ years makes me cautious about jumping out there at the one who have called. Career change had happened and seems a lot more stable for the time but man I miss flying the jet.. not being on the road
ĒReducing quality of lifeĒ is subjective. I do 16 day pairings, and sure, by day 10 youíre going nuts, but if you have a significant other that is even remotely independent, itís not bad. Iím at the point to where 4 on 3 off would be terrible. I have two weeks of vacation, EVERY MONTH. I walk up to the gate with a ticket in hand (lots of time First class), so no more commuting.

I, too, struggled with the idea of 16 days, but itís been a life saver. The wife and kids are happy, Iím not constantly checking commuting loads or weather, I just show up and if my flight is cancelled, so be it.
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ĒReducing quality of lifeĒ is subjective. I do 16 day pairings, and sure, by day 10 youíre going nuts, but if you have a significant other that is even remotely independent, itís not bad. Iím at the point to where 4 on 3 off would be terrible. I have two weeks of vacation, EVERY MONTH. I walk up to the gate with a ticket in hand (lots of time First class), so no more commuting.

I, too, struggled with the idea of 16 days, but itís been a life saver. The wife and kids are happy, Iím not constantly checking commuting loads or weather, I just show up and if my flight is cancelled, so be it.
16 days is a long time to leave the wife with the pool boy....I kid, I kid...
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16 days is a long time to leave the wife with the pool boy....I kid, I kid...
Depends on the wife.

But for most kids under about 17, 2-3 weeks is too long. Although plenty of other professions do it too.
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Depends on the wife.

But for most kids under about 17, 2-3 weeks is too long. Although plenty of other professions do it too.
Three kids under 17, all toddlers. We've adjusted fine, and enjoy 2 weeks off, and two weeks on. My family could never go back to the 2/3-off, 4-on non-commutable garbage. Nearly everyone I fly with says the same. I type this as I enjoy my company paid 1st class seat, while 4 other pilots got bumped off the JS.
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ĒReducing quality of lifeĒ is subjective. I do 16 day pairings, and sure, by day 10 youíre going nuts, but if you have a significant other that is even remotely independent, itís not bad. Iím at the point to where 4 on 3 off would be terrible. I have two weeks of vacation, EVERY MONTH. I walk up to the gate with a ticket in hand (lots of time First class), so no more commuting.

I, too, struggled with the idea of 16 days, but itís been a life saver. The wife and kids are happy, Iím not constantly checking commuting loads or weather, I just show up and if my flight is cancelled, so be it.
Good insights. It sounds like you are enjoying the cargo side of the game. I think Amazon is going to be the next FEDEX complete with an air wing. Iím not sure who they will purchase but I think atlas is a prospect for their funds.
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