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Old 01-08-2021, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator View Post
Forgotten? They never knew you other than some rhetoric and pats on the head.
The didn’t do Crap for Comair and our Mother ship Delta didn’t even offer interviews. Magazine is good though! Got a renewal bill a year later!
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Old 01-08-2021, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by comrcap View Post
The didn’t do Crap for Comair and our Mother ship Delta didn’t even offer interviews. Magazine is good though! Got a renewal bill a year later!
Why would Delta offer interviews to Comair when they held Deltas furloughed pilots hostage demanding scope relief 10 years earlier?
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:38 AM
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Good insights. It sounds like you are enjoying the cargo side of the game. I think Amazon is going to be the next FEDEX complete with an air wing. I’m not sure who they will purchase but I think atlas is a prospect for their funds.
I know a lot of ACMI guys are excited about Amazon, but I for one am not. They’re a terrible company who couldn’t give two craps about labor....not exactly what you want to be dealing with. I hope you’re wrong, as you’ll have 8 ACMI carriers suckling at the teet of Bezos to do the job “just a bit cheaper” than the next guy. IMO, we’ve given Amazon way too much of our hard earned dollar.

Anyway, back to original idea, don’t sell yourself short. If you have an opportunity to go to an ACMI, go for it. You can always leave if that “dream job” with the transcon commutes and two days off in between trips leaves you at a (gag) crash pad on your days off.
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Puck Hawg View Post
I know a lot of ACMI guys are excited about Amazon, but I for one am not. They’re a terrible company who couldn’t give two craps about labor....not exactly what you want to be dealing with. I hope you’re wrong, as you’ll have 8 ACMI carriers suckling at the teet of Bezos to do the job “just a bit cheaper” than the next guy. IMO, we’ve given Amazon way too much of our hard earned dollar.
Flying ACMI for Amazon is just the regional game with bigger planes. The rest of that world is a pretty good gig. Very diverse flying, long layovers in great hotels, and you can see the world like most people never dreamed. The long trips are hard on some families, but they’re nothing compared to a deployment. For the families that can adjust, it’s not a bad life.
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Old 01-08-2021, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Puck Hawg View Post
I know a lot of ACMI guys are excited about Amazon, but I for one am not. They’re a terrible company who couldn’t give two craps about labor....not exactly what you want to be dealing with. I hope you’re wrong, as you’ll have 8 ACMI carriers suckling at the teet of Bezos to do the job “just a bit cheaper” than the next guy. IMO, we’ve given Amazon way too much of our hard earned dollar.

Anyway, back to original idea, don’t sell yourself short. If you have an opportunity to go to an ACMI, go for it. You can always leave if that “dream job” with the transcon commutes and two days off in between trips leaves you at a (gag) crash pad on your days off.
Thank you for the insights. If I do get hired by Atlas then I’ll probably take the job. That works sounds so different that I cannot imagine it. The pay looks good after year one. It won’t hurt to give it a try
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Old 01-08-2021, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley View Post
Flying ACMI for Amazon is just the regional game with bigger planes. The rest of that world is a pretty good gig. Very diverse flying, long layovers in great hotels, and you can see the world like most people never dreamed. The long trips are hard on some families, but they’re nothing compared to a deployment. For the families that can adjust, it’s not a bad life.
thank you for the information. I have never been deployed. How are the long trips configured? Do you spend a lot of time flying or is it long days of rest between hauls?
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Old 01-08-2021, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Flydafe View Post
thank you for the information. I have never been deployed. How are the long trips configured? Do you spend a lot of time flying or is it long days of rest between hauls?
I’m not with an ACMI company anymore, but our trips were typically around 16 days. The trips are hit or miss, and your schedule isn’t worth the paper it is printed on other than the footprint. Sometimes you fly more and actually break guarantee, sometimes you sit for days. You are going to have to have a different mindset. You are not there to build time, they have you for a given block of days, and you should expect your schedule to change as the trip progresses. Life on the 767 is different than that on the 747 from what I understand, but you’ll need a more qualified answer from someone currently working there.

Also consider the labor relations history at Atlas. The management is working off of the Lorenzo playbook and has no intentions of changing. Contract negotiations get delayed for years, they have filed lawsuits against the pilots, and there is a reason that they couldn’t come close to filling a class prior to COVID. Now that the market is flooded with people looking for work, don’t expect a contract anytime soon. I don’t know your situation. If you’re on the street, take the job. If you are a senior regional captain on a 175 with young kids, do your homework.
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Old 01-08-2021, 09:14 AM
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My family could never go back to the 2/3-off, 4-on non-commutable garbage.
Yeah, that's no bueno either. I work for a major and drive to work, and I was pretty selective to get that arrangement lined up... it's payed a lot of dividends.

My experience in the mil leads me to believe that toddlers actually do better with longer absences... it's the 5-15 year olds who really feel the pain. I probably missed the toddlers more than they missed me.

The spouse is also a big factor in how the kids deal with it.
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Old 01-08-2021, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Flydafe View Post
Thank you for the insights. If I do get hired by Atlas then I’ll probably take the job. That works sounds so different that I cannot imagine it. The pay looks good after year one. It won’t hurt to give it a try
It's not a bad job, as long as you understand what you're getting into. Budget to live on min guarantee, and bank the extra cash you get from CRT if you can. Pay after year one is... "Meh" at best. A few extra days of VX, if they actually use you, make for a more bearable paycheck.
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Old 01-08-2021, 03:25 PM
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It's not a bad job, as long as you understand what you're getting into. Budget to live on min guarantee, and bank the extra cash you get from CRT if you can. Pay after year one is... "Meh" at best. A few extra days of VX, if they actually use you, make for a more bearable paycheck.
What is crt and vx. Also how does the imputed tax thing work? It sucks to hear that management is a buttface over there. Hopefully there is a good contract cooking for the folks over there.

Man it looks like Amazon is buying up 767s. They are up to something down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michiga...ech-migration/
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