Has ALPA forgotten us?
 

What can we expect from ALPA now that we are "indefinitely furloughed"? Are they doing anything to push us former ALPA members back into the flight deck at other companies?

No. ALPA has no influence on HR practices

LOL.........

No

alpa? 😂😂😂😂😂

Did you pay January dues yet?

Dude was in a July 2019 new hire class. Not sure he ever got the chance to get off probation.....

Forgotten? They never knew you other than some rhetoric and pats on the head.

Dude, you're not furloughed, you were let go. Your company no longer exist. Furlough means you keep your seniority, you are now starting all over again. ALPA has no ties with you anymore. I do wish you luck though, you're going to need it in these trying times. Try going back to flight instructing, the key is to stay current.

hahahaha!! This is great.

All snark aside.....your absolute BEST shot is probably Commutair. The 145 type will help, and that’s all the preference you’re gonna get in this environment.

Also, what is the status of letter 2? The hype on that has kinda died down lately. Any updates ?

If you're not paying for their Ruth's Chris dinners, you don't exist to ALPA.

Have been on the ALPA website ? They do have section for airlines that have shut down and furloughed folks although I can believe many companies are hiring .

They used to assist with resume prep and some interview prep as I recall

I feel it especially for the guys with 121 PRIA skeletons. They’ll hire CFI’s with no skeletons before those poor souls with turbine time. Multiple PRIA event failures? It will be YEARS before a call. Better go find a new career.

If ALPA wants to do any good with this specific pilot group, they call each of those specific men and women to instill a reality check. I’d hate to see some previous 121 pilot potentially a month a way from riding the left seat instructing students for years before receiving another call. Just really sad man.

Im still waiting on my turkey voucher.

Some potatoes with the roast please
 

I guess I deserved that, all the best for ya’ll.

what in the world are you talking about man? 100% fear mongering.

I was preparing myself for this guy’s pathway and did truck driver training in November. Fortunately we haven’t been furloughed yet, but I’m ready for it.

School is a month and first year is $60k.

https://schneiderjobs.com/blog/airli...s-truck-driver

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...ic-11607367164

I wish that more people had the opportunity to drive a truck. Hopefully they’d realize how much room it takes to turn, how big the blind spots are, and hard it is to stop 85,000 lbs on a wet road and stop jumping right in front of them.

Went on the xjt website because I needed an address to put on an application. Lo and behold their profile says “their goal for 2021 and beyond are to fly point to point to medium and small sized cities that have lost service.”

The larger argument is to not get involved.I’ve been watching countless YouTube videos of pilots saying it’s all cyclical. Most of those saying this haven’t gone even one month without income.

depends on the carrier. United has a hiring process in partnership with alpa. An alpa pilot sits on the interview panel and has a vote on the candidate. Honestly, with the milenials running hr who have zero understanding of what a pilot does, it’s good to have someone with experience on the review board. The only things hr knows is “ did you volunteer at a leper colony recently?... you did?! Great you’re hired!”

It’s not fear mongering. If you’re less than 5 years in you know nothing of what the industry is actually about. The guys that have made it through unscathed have sat on the same seniority list for over 10 years while not having their airline fail. The minute you lose the seniority and start over it’s terrible as some are finding out. 2 years before they start calling, maybe more, then they call the most qualified first (the guys with no PRIA failures).

If you had hiccups or skeletons in 2019 it didn’t matter. How long will that take again?? Not when will they start hiring, when will they start hiring men and women with training failures? My guess is AT LEAST 5-10 years. Is factor that into starting on day one regional pay, 4+ years of upgrade time.

As I stated, go find a new career, because the dream is over.

That’s the part that sucks... starting over at year one pay at a regional. It’s either that or to fly cargo for atlas with more pay but a really extended time away from home reducing quality of life. I hope things turn around faster than your prediction but reflecting on the lost decade and hearing those stories of no movement stuck in the right seat for 7+ years makes me cautious about jumping out there at the one who have called. Career change had happened and seems a lot more stable for the time but man I miss flying the jet.. not being on the road

”Reducing quality of life” is subjective. I do 16 day pairings, and sure, by day 10 you’re going nuts, but if you have a significant other that is even remotely independent, it’s not bad. I’m at the point to where 4 on 3 off would be terrible. I have two weeks of vacation, EVERY MONTH. I walk up to the gate with a ticket in hand (lots of time First class), so no more commuting.

I, too, struggled with the idea of 16 days, but it’s been a life saver. The wife and kids are happy, I’m not constantly checking commuting loads or weather, I just show up and if my flight is cancelled, so be it.

16 days is a long time to leave the wife with the pool boy....I kid, I kid...

Depends on the wife.

But for most kids under about 17, 2-3 weeks is too long. Although plenty of other professions do it too.

Three kids under 17, all toddlers. We've adjusted fine, and enjoy 2 weeks off, and two weeks on. My family could never go back to the 2/3-off, 4-on non-commutable garbage. Nearly everyone I fly with says the same. I type this as I enjoy my company paid 1st class seat, while 4 other pilots got bumped off the JS.

Good insights. It sounds like you are enjoying the cargo side of the game. I think Amazon is going to be the next FEDEX complete with an air wing. I’m not sure who they will purchase but I think atlas is a prospect for their funds.

The didn’t do Crap for Comair and our Mother ship Delta didn’t even offer interviews. Magazine is good though! Got a renewal bill a year later!

Why would Delta offer interviews to Comair when they held Deltas furloughed pilots hostage demanding scope relief 10 years earlier?

I know a lot of ACMI guys are excited about Amazon, but I for one am not. They’re a terrible company who couldn’t give two craps about labor....not exactly what you want to be dealing with. I hope you’re wrong, as you’ll have 8 ACMI carriers suckling at the teet of Bezos to do the job “just a bit cheaper” than the next guy. IMO, we’ve given Amazon way too much of our hard earned dollar.

Anyway, back to original idea, don’t sell yourself short. If you have an opportunity to go to an ACMI, go for it. You can always leave if that “dream job” with the transcon commutes and two days off in between trips leaves you at a (gag) crash pad on your days off.

Flying ACMI for Amazon is just the regional game with bigger planes. The rest of that world is a pretty good gig. Very diverse flying, long layovers in great hotels, and you can see the world like most people never dreamed. The long trips are hard on some families, but they’re nothing compared to a deployment. For the families that can adjust, it’s not a bad life.

Thank you for the insights. If I do get hired by Atlas then I’ll probably take the job. That works sounds so different that I cannot imagine it. The pay looks good after year one. It won’t hurt to give it a try

thank you for the information. I have never been deployed. How are the long trips configured? Do you spend a lot of time flying or is it long days of rest between hauls?

I’m not with an ACMI company anymore, but our trips were typically around 16 days. The trips are hit or miss, and your schedule isn’t worth the paper it is printed on other than the footprint. Sometimes you fly more and actually break guarantee, sometimes you sit for days. You are going to have to have a different mindset. You are not there to build time, they have you for a given block of days, and you should expect your schedule to change as the trip progresses. Life on the 767 is different than that on the 747 from what I understand, but you’ll need a more qualified answer from someone currently working there.

Also consider the labor relations history at Atlas. The management is working off of the Lorenzo playbook and has no intentions of changing. Contract negotiations get delayed for years, they have filed lawsuits against the pilots, and there is a reason that they couldn’t come close to filling a class prior to COVID. Now that the market is flooded with people looking for work, don’t expect a contract anytime soon. I don’t know your situation. If you’re on the street, take the job. If you are a senior regional captain on a 175 with young kids, do your homework.

Yeah, that's no bueno either. I work for a major and drive to work, and I was pretty selective to get that arrangement lined up... it's payed a lot of dividends.

My experience in the mil leads me to believe that toddlers actually do better with longer absences... it's the 5-15 year olds who really feel the pain. I probably missed the toddlers more than they missed me.

The spouse is also a big factor in how the kids deal with it.

It's not a bad job, as long as you understand what you're getting into. Budget to live on min guarantee, and bank the extra cash you get from CRT if you can. Pay after year one is... "Meh" at best. A few extra days of VX, if they actually use you, make for a more bearable paycheck.

What is crt and vx. Also how does the imputed tax thing work? It sucks to hear that management is a buttface over there. Hopefully there is a good contract cooking for the folks over there.

Man it looks like Amazon is buying up 767s. They are up to something down the road.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michiga...ech-migration/