ExpressJet H.R. 5900
 

Looks like starting in June all FO's going for their yearly CQ will be doing an ATP Type ride. Very nice, I was hearing management wasn't going to do the Type. But a message from CT squashed that.

I thought being typed was required by the law. Plus, doesn't taking an atp ride in an aircraft that requires a type beget a type rating? I know it does when its the other way around.

Kind of a double edged sword for the company. Added expenses in advanced training, along with giving a F.O.s a more marketable resume to move on easier. A lot of majors and legacies want to see an ATP and type. This will add a new dynamic to the hiring criteria given that most everyone will have one.

I'm sure they will come out with some kind of advanced ATP for a hiring requirement one day:rolleyes:

Now if you are ATP/Typed in airplane, and the captain takes a 30 minute poop, is that PIC time???? Oh man does that open Pandora's box!

If you didn't sign the release, you aren't the PIC. ;)

You didnt sign on the magical electronic line....

anyone want to quote the regs on that?? If the Captain vacates the cockpit for nature why not if one is typed and has an ATP?

You can log anything you want. But most major airlines ask how much PIC time you have as the person who signed for the airplane. As an FO, you will never "sign" for the aircraft, regardless of how much the real PIC poops.

Theres a few different kinds of PIC time.

Essentially every airline looking at this stuff specifies that they only count PIC time where one was the person that signed for the aircraft.

If you log a couple minutes of PIC time here and there because of "sole manipulator" or some other technicality, though you may legally be justified in doing so, you're going to harm yourself more than it'd ever help. Thats going to get you on the receiving end of quite a few tough questions in an interview and you're not going to win.

When airlines say they want / prefer PIC time, they're saying they want what comes along with it... ie: being a captain. Not that you managed to figure out a way to put it into your logbook.

Check your shoulders. 4 stripes? no? Don't log it. Or, feel free so those of us who don't play such shenanigans can have a better shot at moving on.

Does anybody have any inside scoop on what they plan to do with us FO's? CT's latest message and every other company e-mail on the subject does a whole lot of of talking but not much of saying anything.

For those who don't have the 1500 hours by Aug. 2013 - Will they be let go by the company?

Will the company mandate flying for those who don't meet the time requirements so that they can meet them by Aug. 2013?

Will there be some sort of grandfather clause?

Anybody with any inside scoop whatsoever, please divulge.

The company is more than welcome to take my trips for "training purposes" while I still get paid for them!:D

I agree.

Unless the captain dies in the cockpit, i wouldn't log it.

Do you really think that 0.5 hours of PIC mixed in with a couple years of SIC is what will put you ate the front of the line at the majors?

I say, "Log it!" Let 'em know at the interview just who you are! ;)

Once everyone is required to hold an ATP and a type it will all come back to who has the turbine PIC and TT.

I could always order a 4 stripe epaulette. I'll put it on while capt is taking a long poop :) seems easier than waiting for capt to die. And if he/she does die, do you declare right away? Or wait to the destination so you can log that extra 0.5 PIC??

I think there needs to be someone on board qualified to pronounce them dead, in order to continue to the destination, of course being the destination is at a reasonable distance, other wise I would imagine a sooner diversion would be the reasonable course of action. But either way surely there is no rush to get there since he is already dead, so you can pull back the power and slow, to give yourself extra time to manage the above average workload ;)

Logging PIC
 

Hey I would like those with 3 stripers who believe in their crazy mind that they can Log PIC period. My advise to you is to continue believing you can log it. I need you to help me, help you remove yourself from the pool of applicants when the majors start to hire. Thanks it will be much appreciated.

If you're not the one sining for the plane, then don't log it as PIC!

Logging it.

How about Cosine-ing? Or Tangent-ing?

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

Could not have said it better myself.

I actually pretended one time when the captain left that I can't get the door open when he was trying to get back in so I can log an extra .1

Anybody have any info on this question? What happens for those without 1500? Or the xc time? Etc?

My guess for those without 1500 the company will work out a deal with ALPA to give those guys schedules to build them up to 1500. At legacy ASA I don't think it's much of a problem, we have not really hired much in a while.

Step back a little. What happens when all the majors retire a couple thousand pilots next year? They are all coming from the regionals and none from the military. Whereare the regionals going to find ATP pilots to hire?

In the face of all this retiring that HAS to happen, the hiring machine at most companies remains quiet. Delta has cut capacity and pushed hiring back until who knows when? Is it that management has their plans in place? Not doing one for one hiree to retiree hiring? Or is this the calm before the sheet show?

Perhaps they will have to raise salary. Don't feel sorry for the company, there's no true shortage. Just a shortage of pilots that will fly their planes for $24,000/yr, no prestige, no hot flight attendants.

People want money, power, and/or prestige. When all three are gone, noone shows up for work.

Delta expects hiring as early as 2013(more like this year IMO) and no LATER then 2015.

Lol...you must really be irritated by me. I feel as if a giant such as Delta is so far doing little in comparison to other legacies/big cargo in the hiring realm. Unless Delta is planning on filling the initial hiring wave with flow throughs?

Nope, not irritated. You asked a question, and I answered it. ;)

Also, what Legacy is hiring right now? UAL is larger then DAL, & they aren't hiring. UPS isn't hiring. SWA has very little going on. JB has virtually halted hiring. Us Air isn't hiring. AA will likely furlough again. Atlas has slowed their hiring. World is furloughing. North American is furloughing. I believe Omni has stopped hiring. Kalitta has been silent.

So other then FedEx, what large US carrier/cargo outfit is hiring? I fail to see how Delta is somehow different then anyone else. ;)

Well, I know that UniCal and USAirways have been doing the job fair circuit. And, if my memory serves me, a checkairman I know interviewed *fairly* recently at USAir. I grant you that AA, US, and UniCal have more age 65 rretirements initially, as compared to Delta.

Believe me, I am searching the light at the end of the tunnel...'Specially with furloughs going at places near and dear my heart/bank account. Being the behemouth that Delta is, a little air was let out of my proverbial tires when it seems to me they are not yet gearing up their hiring machine like others seem to be. I sort of figured they would be leading the charge. I don't have a snowball's chance at Delta, but movement in the industry is going to help a lot of people!

I am watching the economy for signs of hope, too. Looking for indications that there may be an uptick in pax / cargo demand for flying. Also, hoping the rest rule applies to the cargo carriers for fairness firstly, and maybe additional pilot staffing secondly.

Best regards, your nemesis,
Block :D

So the short answer to my question is no one. ;) :D

I spoke with the manager of pilot hiring at XJT the other week and he said that there were several pilots (3 or 4) that would be age-limited in August 2013, and several more that may be hour limited. They would see if the hour-limited guys could bid for extra flight time, which will take union support. And for the age-limited guys, he said that he had plenty for them to do in the office until they turned 23! :)

Johnso!!

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The majors aren't going to be retiring thousands next year. That's why t. hey aren't hiring. That really doesn't start happening for a few more years. Most have cut capacity and are over staffed, so no one will be hiring this year IMO. If you have access to delta net, they have a list of who will be retiring, when, and how many. Looks like we will be FO's for a few more years.

And lets not forget the thousands on furlough at AA and United. Yes, a lot have or will bypass, but still that's the longer they won't need to hire off the street.

Lol. I c what u did there! :D