What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
#1001
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
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I believe EFB's should be the last thing anyone cares about at a regional airline. I understand Jepp revisions and a heavy flight case can be miserable but so is flying RJs for subpar wagess and 7 leg days we encounter at ASA. There is a lot of things that are just about out of our controllable reach and EFBs are one of them. If we get them great, it not, carrying on as you know today. I don't mind conversations about what Managament is "brain storming" and we do know it can save them money, but what happened to the bigger things? Did we all just forget about PBS with no 2-3 days, 7 leg days with min rest? How about all the problems with staffing? How about nearly 100 new hire FOs (ASA) with no upgrades? These are the things that make people want to leave, not EFBs.
#1002
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: A320
Posts: 244
I believe EFB's should be the last thing anyone cares about at a regional airline. I understand Jepp revisions and a heavy flight case can be miserable but so is flying RJs for subpar wagess and 7 leg days we encounter at ASA. There is a lot of things that are just about out of our controllable reach and EFBs are one of them. If we get them great, it not, carrying on as you know today. I don't mind conversations about what Managament is "brain storming" and we do know it can save them money, but what happened to the bigger things? Did we all just forget about PBS with no 2-3 days, 7 leg days with min rest? How about all the problems with staffing? How about nearly 100 new hire FOs (ASA) with no upgrades? These are the things that make people want to leave, not EFBs.
Great post. Add all the problems with reserve (in both seats) to this list too.
#1003
Sometimes the best view is on the outside looking in. I took sometime off from flying and observed the industry when I wasn't involved. It really put things into perspective. We really do look like a bunch of goons out there. Got no one to blame but ourselves.
#1004
I believe EFB's should be the last thing anyone cares about at a regional airline. I understand Jepp revisions and a heavy flight case can be miserable but so is flying RJs for subpar wagess and 7 leg days we encounter at ASA. There is a lot of things that are just about out of our controllable reach and EFBs are one of them. If we get them great, it not, carrying on as you know today. I don't mind conversations about what Managament is "brain storming" and we do know it can save them money, but what happened to the bigger things? Did we all just forget about PBS with no 2-3 days, 7 leg days with min rest? How about all the problems with staffing? How about nearly 100 new hire FOs (ASA) with no upgrades? These are the things that make people want to leave, not EFBs.
#1005
They sure are taking forever to get a vacancy bid out. One poster said some final details are still being worked out and he's usually spot on so I'm taking the delay as good news.
#1008
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 284
I believe EFB's should be the last thing anyone cares about at a regional airline. I understand Jepp revisions and a heavy flight case can be miserable but so is flying RJs for subpar wagess and 7 leg days we encounter at ASA. There is a lot of things that are just about out of our controllable reach and EFBs are one of them. If we get them great, it not, carrying on as you know today. I don't mind conversations about what Managament is "brain storming" and we do know it can save them money, but what happened to the bigger things? Did we all just forget about PBS with no 2-3 days, 7 leg days with min rest? How about all the problems with staffing? How about nearly 100 new hire FOs (ASA) with no upgrades? These are the things that make people want to leave, not EFBs.
The epidemic at ASA is very troubling. I don't think there is any other regional with the ammount of pilot longevity that we have. There is a outright surprising ammount of captains on the ASA side that have zero intention of leaving. I call it ultra-lifer-ism... There are so many guys in their late 30 or early 40's that in two or three more years will top the pay scales. They don't plan on leaving and simply will not entertain the idea.
Conversely, The FO side at ASA has seen 4 times as much attrition as the captains side has seen. The very junior end of the captains side will move on but it is likely that in the next few years FO attrition will outpace captains in a serious manner (thanks for the ATP asa). Eventually in the next couple of years asa/xjt will have a very very very hard time finding pilots. As a way to attract people to an airline with 7-8 year upgrades they are offering a two year agreement with an interview at Delta. I think they eventually expect no serious upgrades, they will shrink in to what is left of the regional flying and just be a mostly FO feeder airline to mainlines.
#1009
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 195
I feel like the hiring and upgrade problems go deeper then what you think. I know it's probably ridiculous but I honestly feel some of the ASA schedules are designed to promote attrition.
The epidemic at ASA is very troubling. I don't think there is any other regional with the ammount of pilot longevity that we have. There is a outright surprising ammount of captains on the ASA side that have zero intention of leaving. I call it ultra-lifer-ism... There are so many guys in their late 30 or early 40's that in two or three more years will top the pay scales. They don't plan on leaving and simply will not entertain the idea.
Conversely, The FO side at ASA has seen 4 times as much attrition as the captains side has seen. The very junior end of the captains side will move on but it is likely that in the next few years FO attrition will outpace captains in a serious manner (thanks for the ATP asa). Eventually in the next couple of years asa/xjt will have a very very very hard time finding pilots. As a way to attract people to an airline with 7-8 year upgrades they are offering a two year agreement with an interview at Delta. I think they eventually expect no serious upgrades, they will shrink in to what is left of the regional flying and just be a mostly FO feeder airline to mainlines.
The epidemic at ASA is very troubling. I don't think there is any other regional with the ammount of pilot longevity that we have. There is a outright surprising ammount of captains on the ASA side that have zero intention of leaving. I call it ultra-lifer-ism... There are so many guys in their late 30 or early 40's that in two or three more years will top the pay scales. They don't plan on leaving and simply will not entertain the idea.
Conversely, The FO side at ASA has seen 4 times as much attrition as the captains side has seen. The very junior end of the captains side will move on but it is likely that in the next few years FO attrition will outpace captains in a serious manner (thanks for the ATP asa). Eventually in the next couple of years asa/xjt will have a very very very hard time finding pilots. As a way to attract people to an airline with 7-8 year upgrades they are offering a two year agreement with an interview at Delta. I think they eventually expect no serious upgrades, they will shrink in to what is left of the regional flying and just be a mostly FO feeder airline to mainlines.
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