Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 1210539)
Think about it, what is the additional cost that they are incurring by having ASA legacy fly the CRJ and Expressjet Legacy flying the ERJ exclusively.
Originally Posted by skigambia
(Post 1210539)
They have streamlined most other operations within the company. Combining the two pilot groups will even add additional costs with training, and hopefully the additional pay/QOl from the subsequent contract.
I'd LOVE to seen how much money has been saved on some of the "streamline" that's happened. Let's see, flight cancellations from scheduling's incompetence, MX cx's on a rate we've NEVER seen before on the ERJ side due to streamlining, etc etc etc...... |
The word going around is we will have a TA probably by the end of the week. Looks like things are starting to look good for us all. I for one hope this is true, but we will find out soon. Either way we are close to a TA should this not be the case. Also was told by a maint that more 70/90's are coming.....:-)
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Originally Posted by drrhythm2
(Post 1210277)
What makes you think no 50's would leave until the end of 2015? Because that's when the contract is up? What happens when Delta says "you either agree to start getting rid of 2 50's for every new 70/76 seat jet we give you right now, or after 2015 your contract will not be renewed and you won't be doing business with us again, ever."?
Now if there is something to that effect in the Delta TA, that's another story and I hope that's the case, but I'm just saying... As far as the contract goes, yes the company needs to know there costs to bid new flying but they have great lawyers and can figure those costs out without an agreement . There is only so much money in the pot for a new contract and that is what numbers they will use. Or just walk away and give the finger to alpa and move forward with plan B. The crj 700/900 in Atl is way fat on captains and there is a reason, probably because of an RFP for Atl pinnacle 900 flying? |
Or comair 700/900s ... Not wishing any negative impact on either pilot group.
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Originally Posted by Kilroy
(Post 1210561)
The word going around is we will have a TA probably by the end of the week. Looks like things are starting to look good for us all. I for one hope this is true, but we will find out soon. Either way we are close to a TA should this not be the case. Also was told by a maint that more 70/90's are coming.....:-)
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Sorry if this is somewhere else, but what are the current end dates for Delta Connection CRJ-200 contracts, for Pinnacle/SkyWest/ExpressJet?
In other words, from which airline(s) will the 200s mainly come from initially, and which airlines will receive new 76-seaters first? |
Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
(Post 1210413)
First this is all speculation considering nothing has been voted, as mentioned a million times. Things change in a heart beat, just look at Skywest Inc. buying you, you see that coming? Probably not, I don't think you were working there but you understand my point.
As per the TA, 50 seat RJs (operated by more regionals than just us) don't START to leave until Delta receives 717s. These are scheule to start in 2nd half 2013. This isn't going to happen overnight! You're not going to be furloughed! United is under negotiations, what happens if they want to do the same? You need to look around more than just Delta. Take a look at the whole industry including positives such as future hiring etc. Lastely, when a company wants to rush a contract there is a reason, potential American flying?? Typed on iPhone, excuse errors. Am I'm not so much worried about being furloughed as being stagnated in the right seat forever. And again, lest I start some "I had spend five years on reserve and seven til I upgraded so you should shut up" hate thing, I have much respect for those that stuck it out that long, but I can't do that. So for me the prospect of a stagnation of movement over a long period isn't much better than a furlough. I gambled on taking a shot at the regionals; I don't have a decade to spend there before I move on. |
Originally Posted by Confused
(Post 1210454)
Correct in that they cannot bid on new contracts until the merger is final.
Also, INC wants the process done and finished because the real cost savings, the reason for the entire merger to begin with, will not be seen and taken advantage of until everything is wrapped up. Two reasons to get this shat finished. Shat. Everything else is being combined already. I don't see what you are getting at. |
Originally Posted by Bigshooter107
(Post 1210564)
People seem to assume that a two for one swap, 200s for one 900 will happen at one company. There is no reason that delta, xjet, bombardier could not negotiate a deal that takes 2-50s from pinnacle( bankruptcy) and hand xjet a 900. Me thinks the bigger pitcure has to do with delta being on the hook for 2 billion plus in MX costs, engines etc...
As far as the contract goes, yes the company needs to know there costs to bid new flying but they have great lawyers and can figure those costs out without an agreement . There is only so much money in the pot for a new contract and that is what numbers they will use. Or just walk away and give the finger to alpa and move forward with plan B. The crj 700/900 in Atl is way fat on captains and there is a reason, probably because of an RFP for Atl pinnacle 900 flying? That being said, I hope that's exactly what happens. I hope it works out great for the new Expressjet on both sides and everyone's happy. I'm just not sure at this point. |
Originally Posted by drrhythm2
(Post 1210678)
Why would they take planes from Pinnacle, who is going to emerge as a really cheap operator post-bankruptcy (after all, Delta kept them from going out of business for a reason) and give them to xjet, who will probably be more expensive?
That being said, I hope that's exactly what happens. I hope it works out great for the new Expressjet on both sides and everyone's happy. I'm just not sure at this point. |
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