Red97Vette

While ASA did not wholly buy XJET, ASA was in a much better position finically than XJET. ASA had been generating strong profits for years while XJET had been bleeding cash like crazy. Obviously this is not the pilots fault, as management is to blame, but the attitude that ASA had nothing to do with the ability to purchase XJET is a bit exagurated. Skywest Inc is where the profits flow, so of course that's where the money comes from when all the outstanding stock is purchased. The strong profits from ASA thus played a role in the acquisition. If it wasn't for the whole surejet fiasco, the name expressjet and the certificate would no longer exist. I'm sick of all these legacy expressjet guys I bump into acting as if they "saved" ASA and they run the show.

goaround2000

The company formerly known as Asa, did not have the ability to purchase another company. The purchase was made by Skywest inc. plain and simple, and not open to interpretation. Skywest inc, then decided to merge ExpressJet with the former Asa. This is all public knowledge and published information from the documents that Jerry and co. put out at the time of the purchase.

Let's look at the facts and you decide:

The CRJ side is losing aircraft (700's that went to gojets), and now potentially losing 200 flying.

The company already decided that there will not be a flush bid due to training costs, and the precedent set by Pinnacle.

Because the ERJ side is significantly larger in numbers, there's nothing that can keep us from decertifying ALPA (see USAir east), and stretching this out for years if the outcome of SLI is not fair. The company knows this, and although integration is not part of their process, rest assure they will have influence over it.

In a fair system, seats and bases will be protected, possible seat locks and fences to go with them; and everyone will be unhappy! It's that simple really. Nothing else will be acceptable. Don't like it? Find another job, but regardless of what formula they use, this will be the outcome.

spudskier

I understand the gist of your ideas... just for reference, here are some specific numbers by carrier (Numbers are about 3 months old and do NOT account for recent retirements, deaths, medical outs, etc...)

Between 2013 and 2015 here are retirements:
Southwest-379
AirTran-50
American-326
Delta-432
United-1236
US Air-654
Alaska-85
FedEx-412

(I don't have numbers for Jet Blue, Allegiant, Virgin America, etc...)

TOTAL: 3574

That's just within three years

There are only 4419 pilots at the new XJet combined... lets say VERY conservatively that the top 25% aren't going to leave (too old, don't want to start over, too much of a salary loss, etc...) That leaves approximately 3314. For the next year and a half, there are several hundred who will not meet ATP mins (1500) and for an even longer period of time, will not meet mins for Delta, UAL, etc...

Let's say the legacy carriers DO hire one for one to replace outgoing retirees... 3574 over 3 years and 6730 (total) over 5 years will decimate the regionals. So yes, I do see movement in a big way.

Just for perspective, 6730 is ALL pilots from the New XJet, GoJets, Compass, CommutAir, Air Wisconsin, PSA, and a few from Eagle COMBINED

Food for thought

drrhythm2

You know, you make some valid points until your last sentence. However, I don't know of anyone here at the ERJ side that thinks Expressjet "saved" ASA. That sounds pretty ridiculous.

You do seem pretty bitter about the name change though.

If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure the company's were merged onto the ASA certificate, just that the name was changed. So technically your certificate still exists, just with our name on it.

The reality is that Skywest was financially strong enough that they could have bought Expressjet whether or not they had previously purchased ASA. They amount of cash they have right now is actually a little less than the cash they had on hand when they bought you, so had they not purchased ASA, they'd likely be in about the same spot. So while you make a valid point that ASA was part of Skywest when Skywest bought expressjet, it's not roaring profits from ASA were the only enabler of the deal. In fact, has not the Delta CPA been really bad for you guys over the past few years?

drrhythm2

----- Nevermind, figured it out.

ysslah

quick question for CRJ side peeps. I recently got picked for a random pee test during a trip. Do we get paid for this? If so, how do I go about getting paid for it and how much do they owe me? I see nothing on sked plus or the rainmaker

XSive

Delta buy a pilot group ? Wow, I've heard it all! Lol..guys get this through your wishful thinking hard heads: THERE WILL NEVER BE A PILOT SHORTAGE AT THE LEGACY AIRLINES. The regional currently have plenty of supply for several decades. The regionals are worried about staffing and you think THEY are going to sell a pilot group? Come on guys think about it!

unit monster

I believe this to be the opposite. ASA Captains overall have much higher longevity than XJT Captains, therefor would prefer DOH and vice versa for FO's.

Red97Vette

I have actually spoken with a few from xjet who do feel like they saved Asa (crazy, as most of us know). I could careless if we use the expressjet name, is far better than surejet. I only brought this up because of the whole savior mentality, ie: the name of the company is also expressjet so we bought asa not the other way around, kind of thinking. I also am well aware that skywest had hundreds of millions in the bank pre Asa and also pre XJET, my point was that Asa actually contributed to some degree through strong profits, unlike XJET who had been loosing money year after year. While airlines seem to stay alive for decades no matter how much money they loose, the writing was on the wall, XJET was on course for a possible ch 11 if it's luck did not turn around, stem the bleeding, and produce profits.

To goaround2000, get a reality check, the rest of the company isn't on edge to throw out alpa over some SLI disagreement. No one wants a usair situation. NO one, you talk as if you think the XJET pilot group will just bully a parent company and all their employees to get what they want no matter what. If everyone over there has your shortsightedness we are all screwed.

Kilroy

The CRJ side is losing aircraft (700's that went to gojets), and now potentially losing 200 flying.


This is true for now. however, ASA side might be getting the pinnacles 900's, if not all 16, and the new Delta TA will allow for larger aircraft to replace the 50's. There will be a fence, so no bidding to other a/c or base for a few years. With that said, Delta could just take all of the 70/90's, along with the pilots to mainline, and grow the larger RJ's Thus being flown by Delta pilots. This would cut training cost and Delta would have a continuing work force without interruption. This could start a trend for all majors to follow. Either way this Delta TA is good....