AWAC vs ExpressJet
 

At the risk of getting smacked around again I'll start one more comparison thread for my own benefit.

Just saw the announcement of new bases for the ERJ side at Express. No pay scales posted on APC nor mention of any work rules, rigs, etc. Comparison between the two sides of Express invited as well.

Will definitely be talking to their recruiters on Saturday.

As always, any thoughts, comments, and sarcasm are always appreciated. :D

i think willflyforfood had the pay scale for xjt E145. I wouldn't expect the E170 to be different, maybe if they complete the merg with ASA guys. there is a lot about the XJT perks if you search around. one thread I am reading kind of compares it to republic as the better contract here:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...t-offer-6.html

I also have heard AWAC is an exellent regional. everyone loves it. Most love XJT. Everyone will probably tell you to go to the one that you can live in base.

Most XJT guys think the 175s are going elsewhere, at least that's what I see on the boards here.

Living in base is doable with either one. I'm petty flexible about where I'm living these days but I'm targeting the DC area.

they are going elsewhere

AWAC vs ExpressJet
 

No 170s are going to ExpressJet - straight from Uncle Brad.

Tall flyer.....

AWAC vs TSA.

AWAC vs Repblic.

now AWAC vs XJT?

GAWD. Let me know if AWAC hires you. If they do, I'll quit. T-6 days until your interview. You may as well start an AWAC vs Mesa/Silver Airways/Skywest/Commute Air/porter/air Canada/air Canada Jazz/Lufthansa express/air France connection thread too.

You'll be a real peach to spend 4 days with. I'm sure a typical four days with you would go something like.... "I dunno, I am thinking what sounds better. USAIRWAYS or United? FedEx or UPS? JetBlue or spirit? Virgin America or Southwest? Alaska or Cathay?"

For anyone interested. I will be picketing outside of AWAC HQ with a sign that says "do not hire tall flyer" we need to show unity in this.

Lay off him...he just really reall loves march madness

Dude, really?

Hahahaha. Can the signs say "Appleton, we have a problem".

Wish we still had Mike B leading the interview smack downs. I miss that guy.

We kidd we kidd ;)

From what I've seen on my commute, xjt has hotter flight attendants.

Ok, that settles it!

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Just doing my due dilligence guys. I'm assuming I'll be at my next employer for a while.

Maybe I should be trying a magic 8 ball instead..... :D

You need to take a step back and relax, go to the airline that you feel you could be there for a while, it seems like you are so torn between regionals. You don't want to be thinking about it so hard that once you attend class you are still thinking about "I should have gone there". All regionals have their issues and unlike the mainlines who know for the most part what bases they will have as well as number of airframes, at the regional even if the airline has a contract it could be adjusted for various reasons.

Don't worry about the haters. I can appreciate the compare and contrast afforded through this forum. I guarantee you're not the only one thinking about this and you're asking questions many don't have the ba!!$ to ask.

SEEEYAAAAA!!!! (simulating your eardrums bursting over Denver Center...perform the memory items for bleeding from the ears...sim stops...situation terminated).

How 'bout we picket to loose the freakin hats during summer. I'm ready to use mine as a pooper scooper

Pick one and commit yourself to being happy there. You'll enjoy life alot more than always thinking what-if.

Oh trust me, once I'm hired, I'm there. Not stressing too much about it as I know in general they're all variations of the same thing.

But until I'm there I want to know as much as possible so I can make an informed decision, that is, if I'm even granted the opportunity to have a decision by having two simultaneous offers.

In large part it kinda depends on who offers first.

No joke. They are serious about these stupid hats too.

Hyperhidrosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go to the doc. Get a note. Argue safety.

Tall flyer. Chip makes a good point. Go anywhere but AWAC. This hat thing is just one example of how our middle management, primarily in PHL treats us like children.

I've even heard it put that if we aren't wearing our hats, what else aren't we doing that's standard and by the book. Some people really have nothing better to do than be an uptight d-bag to feel extra special about themselves. The rest of us with hyperhidrosis head will continue to suffer during the summer months.

Count me in!

There is always a biatch in the group. Folks worry about wearing a cover...err hat? I served 20 years military, that whole things is just not a big deal lol Airline Pilots Crying!!

I think you might be in for a rude awakening...just saying.

I agree and if these don't go to XJT the next round will, and in return they'll be parking twice as many 50 seaters.

Disagree? Read UAL's new scope language then look around for who has the most 50's. We at SkyWest are second to XJT with about 90ish, XJT has around 250ish.......? We'll be parking about half but that leaves 150++ 50-seaters that still must be parked and there's no way around their language. The hatchets coming to XJT, SkyWest Inc. will do their best to fight and mitigate but large reductions are inevitable. I ask you, should you get all excited about 50 E-175s if 100 E-135/145s are parked? Only if you’re looking long term.

AWAC vs ExpressJet
 

Well, XJTs APC profile mentions a 10 year deal with United for 200+ airframes. 10 years from when?

The June 2008 agreement covered only 205 jets with the ability to reduce to 190 and in 2010 an expanded agreement was reached to cover another 22. Currently for United I believe XJTs operating around 249 ERJ-135/145s on the L-XJT side and another dozen or so CRJ-200s operating on the L-ASA side.

I’m sure someone can dig up more but these aircraft are being flown under agreements that UAL will have to buy SkyWest Inc. out of. Just as with Delta, UAL will package these E-170/175s and CRJ-700/900s with long term contracts in order to cut 50 seaters. More than likely at a 2:1 ratio (2-50s for 1-51+). IMO the current RFP is being used to determining Fair Market Value which will be used in these negotiations.

I might be....I know plenty of fellow former military aviators in both Regional and above. They find it funny as well when civilians complain about covers, long days, it's hot in the cockpit, etc. Granted, they get tired too, run down, beat up but it's not the same at all....I'll find out soon enough. Maybe I'll cry some over here as it seems the place to do so.

You are missing one thing: According to the new contract, UAL will leave around 100-150ish 50 seaters when its all said and done, a majority of which will stay at XJT.

I wasn't trying to be douchy...I've flown with a few former military and it's definitely a different mindset. Their story usually changes about six months into the gig.

Does ExpressJet still have a 5-leg max per day?
Plus, they have the ERJ's where the wingtips go up.


But man, do I miss the Colgate Fresh paintjob.

Seriously though, go to SkyWest and fly the Bro and get California beach overnights. And hot flight attendants. And a nationwide system. And lots of bases to choose from.

But at least AWAC is better than Republic :P

That's great, military are tough guys. I worked long days in construction before flying and have a side bizz that involves hard manual labor. However, hot long days being uncomfortable flying human lives around isn't in the best interest of safety.

This.. I can understand having a stressful day in the summer while flying with just a student or yourself in the military..... but when you're out there in DCA or CLT and it's 98 degrees, you're single PACK, full boat, and you got an ENG fire on the roll, things get hot as hell and very stressful fast. People smell fire and they start running all over eachother and screaming, you're sitting there trying to get the checklist done..

man, good times..

This question is like asking which sinking ship you want to goto. Both airlines have nothing but 50 seaters. You are honestly probably better off going to MESA as much as it pains me to say it. XJT/Skyw Inc has absolutely nothing to worry about when it comes to the pilot shortage. There are plenty of 50 seaters to retire if no one shows for class. On the other hand if you enjoy flying to victorville then XJT is perfect for you.

Oh ya and screw the hat! It is a pointless piece of the uniform that makes you look like a freaking bell boy not a pilot.

Sure it's not just the slacks and gay white shirt :)

Don't get me wrong, many of my buddy's ***** about it...they aren't always happy. What do pilots military or civilian pilots like to do? *****! That's what we did in ready rooms...a lot!!

I wouldn't say military guys, especially the pilots are necessarily tough but they are used to certain things and know how things could be worse as they've been there. I'm certainly not tough but for example, after sitting in a cockpit, on the carrier deck, in the Persian Gulf, in August, with jets turning, no APU on, no air, unless the cockpit is on fire, it doesn't get hotter than that I think. But we pilots ***** regardless...seems quite a bit on this site :D

Oh I hear ya!