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JoeyMeatballs 02-08-2007 01:09 PM

Comair & Expressjet
 
SO does anybody else feel like CONTINENTAL is going to do to EXPRESSJET what DELTA did/is doing to COMAIR?, any thoughts, or has this industry just made me paranoid and slightly crazy :)

fosters 02-08-2007 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 115085)
SO does anybody else feel like CONTINENTAL is going to do to EXPRESSJET what DELTA did/is doing to COMAIR?, any thoughts, or has this industry just made me paranoid and slightly crazy :)

I try not to reply to your posts, but this is too far flung. CAL can't sue XJT in court to make the pilots fly.

If the pilots strike at XJT, CAL can void your contract. But they can't impose concessions on you. Only your company can do that (ExpressJet Inc.).

So no, CAL won't do to XJT what DAL is doing to Comair. CAL doesn't own ExpressJet.

JoeyMeatballs 02-08-2007 01:19 PM

Well I understand that, I meant taking as much flying away as possible, and giving it away to other regionals, FOSTER, why the anger & Hatred toward me, its an online forum, lifes to short to get all worked up on here :) hehe

fosters 02-08-2007 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 115094)
I meant taking as much flying away as possible, and giving it away to other regionals,

Sure, if others can do it cheaper with the same ballpark numbers. Maybe CAL doesn't think it's worth it to pay an extra $100+ million a year for an extra .01% completion factor. Maybe Chautauqua had a better value?

We're having an intelligent discussion here, don't ruin it.

JoeyMeatballs 02-08-2007 02:24 PM

haha I wont, but from what I am hearing, CHQ wasnt going to be cheaper, and the 15 a/c with COLGAN, well sure the Q400's are great but It wasnt more than a year ago when CAL was pretty unhappy with Colgans performance out of IAH, and throw a new a/c type, Colgans MX dept I am not so sure that will end up CHEAPER either, especially if they have to rebook people etc. DISCLAIMER: Q400 from what I hear tend to break, (Props have more moving parts) and Colgan has run their operation with the mentality that DMI's and MELS' will do until it breaks and then some poor mechanics have to fly out on an empty airplance to fix the darn thing, while CREW Scheduling scrambles to find cres, a/c etc.....I dunno just doesnt make sense to me, but then agian not much does

fosters 02-08-2007 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 115135)
It wasnt more than a year ago when CAL was pretty unhappy with Colgans performance out of IAH, .

All startups have hiccups. Plus, if they were that unhappy with their current performance why is the company awarding more growth to them? CAL isn't stupid, they've done a lot of things right in the past decade.

JoeyMeatballs 02-08-2007 02:41 PM

I agree, just makes me wonder why our flying is getting taken away, I mean Diversify yes, but our product has always been a good one, meanwhile Colgans has been less than stellar, I dunno just makes me wonder ya know?

fosters 02-08-2007 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 115153)
I agree, just makes me wonder why our flying is getting taken away, I mean Diversify yes, but our product has always been a good one, meanwhile Colgans has been less than stellar, I dunno just makes me wonder ya know?

The flying was given to Chautauqua, not Colgan, according to the press releases. And, like I said earlier, maybe they provided a better value to CAL. Having a good product doesn't mean squat if it doesn't have a good value.

Maybe CAL gave XJT a chance to bid on the Q400 RFP and they turned it down? Maybe their costs were much higher than the other bidders. Nobody knows except CAL.

captchris 02-08-2007 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 115157)
Having a good product doesn't mean squat if it doesn't have a good value.

Where have I heard that before?? Must be a fellow AWAC'er :)

kansas 02-08-2007 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 115085)
SO does anybody else feel like CONTINENTAL is going to do to EXPRESSJET what DELTA did/is doing to COMAIR?, any thoughts, or has this industry just made me paranoid and slightly crazy :)

If such things make you paranoid and slightly crazy, given the nature of this industry, especially at the regionals, you're due for the loony bin before you get to the majors. Who knows what's going to happen? All you can do is make the best decision given what little information you have now...don't worry about what you can't prevent, let alone predict.

DMEarc 02-08-2007 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 115085)
SO does anybody else feel like CONTINENTAL is going to do to EXPRESSJET what DELTA did/is doing to COMAIR?, any thoughts, or has this industry just made me paranoid and slightly crazy :)

Relax dude. I've never seen anyone so scared. Of all companies why did you pick ExpressJet? You knew they were losing airplane. I hope your guys' branded stuff goes good. But if it doesn't and the charter stuff is going well, you can easily transfer more airplanes to that.

I mean jeez...first it's We're all screwed because Age 65...We're all screwed because of 69 planes....We're all screwed because of Colgans Q400's....now it's because of Comair.

Continental chose Colgan for a reason, becuase a trop can obviously make more money on the EWR-SYR, EWR-BTV, EWR-PVD, etc runs.

Close your mouth, do your job. I love ya man, but you've gotta shut the fuk up. We all care about our jobs, but with your time, you'll find something else should a furlough come.

David Watts 02-08-2007 04:37 PM

It wasn't about who could do the flying cheaper it was more that CAL wanted to diversify the flying. I don't think that CHQ is doing it much cheaper than we at Express are doing it. As for the Colgan opperation, it will allow bettter utilization out of EWR. The Q400 will be able to use runway 11/29 and it will decrease ATC delays in and out of EWR by a little but every little bit helps up there. That has been in the plans for awhile and I'm sure it will be to cities that we use to fly to with the ATRs.

As for the Saab's question CAL will surely decrease XJT flying and give it to some one else and start using there own 737 on the routes. They don't want to rely on one regional to much. That is the business now. Don't worry about things that aren't in your control. Do your job well, get your PIC time, make lots of contacts, and get out of the regionals.

Just my thoughts.

JoeyMeatballs 02-08-2007 05:28 PM

Well, some honest replies here, I gotta say, appreciate boys, thanks for the insight ;)

freezingflyboy 02-08-2007 05:40 PM

Geez Saab, you need to relax. Go have a beer or seven. You've been in this business long enough not to be sh!tting bricks every time you hear a rumor or draw a parallel.

JoeyMeatballs 02-08-2007 07:11 PM

I know, I think Im loosing it:(


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