L-ASA (ExpressJet CRJ side)
The current ExpressJet threads are a mixture of information that can be confusing and/or misleading.
For those who don't know, ExpressJet is currently composed of two completely separate labor groups. It is the result of a failing/failed merger attempt. L-XJT is the larger side and operates the ERJ. L-ASA operates the CRJ. Pilots/FA's cannot currently bid the other aircraft. Seniority lists, labor contracts, operations, mechanics, etc., is all separate, but the airline operates under one name. The name is from L-XJT and the logo is from L-ASA. Therefore it makes sense to have separate threads to help keep the information specific to one side separate from the other. So here it is. Hopefully this will help. |
Is it true that pilots were hired between 2007 and 2011 at L asa? Does that mean that the facebook page for XJT is not telling the truth when they say a big jump in upgrade time will occur sometime in the future because they did not hire 3 or 4 years during that time period? Are the upgrade times on the L asa side over 9 years right now? Is it true that you will only be paid 65 hours instead of the standard 75 hours during training?
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Originally Posted by Datsun
(Post 2253851)
The current ExpressJet threads are a mixture of information that can be confusing and/or misleading.
For those who don't know, ExpressJet is currently composed of two completely separate labor groups. It is the result of a failing/failed merger attempt. L-XJT is the larger side and operates the ERJ. L-ASA operates the CRJ. Pilots/FA's cannot currently bid the other aircraft. Seniority lists, labor contracts, operations, mechanics, etc., is all separate, but the airline operates under one name. The name is from L-XJT and the logo is from L-ASA. Therefore it makes sense to have separate threads to help keep the information specific to one side separate from the other. So here it is. Hopefully this will help. |
Originally Posted by tinman1
(Post 2254601)
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the significance of the "L" preceding each labor group name? Why not just refer to them as XJT and ASA?
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Originally Posted by No Lies
(Post 2254502)
Is it true that pilots were hired between 2007 and 2011 at L asa? Does that mean that the facebook page for XJT is not telling the truth when they say a big jump in upgrade time will occur sometime in the future because they did not hire 3 or 4 years during that time period? Are the upgrade times on the L asa side over 9 years right now? Is it true that you will only be paid 65 hours instead of the standard 75 hours during training?
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Originally Posted by somertime32
(Post 2254627)
I was hired in March of 08 by ASA, have not upgraded. I was in the 2nd to last class of 08. No idea about initial training pay. The 9 year upgrade could to go down to 7ish here next year with so many senior FOs bailing but who really knows.
I've heard (and met) some of the pilots who got the "kinda sorta" upgrade, where they got the fourth stripe but kept flying from the right seat. Is this program still active? Are these "kinda sorta" captains flying much in the left seat today? The one "kinda sorta CA" I ran into last summer was wearing the fourth stripe but flying a trip as an FO. This pilot was hired in mid-2007 which suggests the current "most junior CRJ CA" posting on the APC airline profile for XJT is inaccurate as it currently shows 3/2007 as the most junior CA at L-ASA. (sheesh, that's about a 10 year upgrade!!!!) |
Originally Posted by No Lies
(Post 2254502)
Is it true that pilots were hired between 2007 and 2011 at L asa? Does that mean that the facebook page for XJT is not telling the truth when they say a big jump in upgrade time will occur sometime in the future because they did not hire 3 or 4 years during that time period? Are the upgrade times on the L asa side over 9 years right now? Is it true that you will only be paid 65 hours instead of the standard 75 hours during training?
Originally Posted by AceyCandler
(Post 2254708)
I was a 2007 hire but left L-ASA and made a lateral move a couple years ago.
I've heard (and met) some of the pilots who got the "kinda sorta" upgrade, where they got the fourth stripe but kept flying from the right seat. Is this program still active? Are these "kinda sorta" captains flying much in the left seat today? The one "kinda sorta CA" I ran into last summer was wearing the fourth stripe but flying a trip as an FO. This pilot was hired in mid-2007 which suggests the current "most junior CRJ CA" posting on the APC airline profile for XJT is inaccurate as it currently shows 3/2007 as the most junior CA at L-ASA. (sheesh, that's about a 10 year upgrade!!!!) The union has also proposed new FO pay scales to the company. A 4th year FO will be paid as a 3rd year captain, 5th year FO as a 2nd year captain, and so on until 8th year FO is paid a 5th year captain rate of $73/hr on the 7/9. This would be a large pay bump for 4th year and up FO's. |
Originally Posted by wmupilot85
(Post 2254843)
The union has also proposed new FO pay scales to the company. A 4th year FO will be paid as a 3rd year captain, 5th year FO as a 2nd year captain, and so on until 8th year FO is paid a 5th year captain rate of $73/hr on the 7/9. This would be a large pay bump for 4th year and up FO's. |
Originally Posted by CmonSon
(Post 2254876)
Before the trolls hop on. I think you meant 4th year FO would be paid 1st year CA pay. Great proposal but doubt management (Inc.) would be on board with it.
4th Year FO...1st Year CA 5th Year FO...2st Year CA 6th Year FO...3st Year CA 7th Year FO...4st Year CA 8th Year FO...5st Year CA |
Originally Posted by wmupilot85
(Post 2254843)
There was no hiring in 2009 at all. There is 16 people hired in 2010, 38 hired in 2008, and 30 between the most junior captain and the last 2007 hire date. Upgrade time is currently at 9 years, not to much over.
Even with that, our new hires can expect to upgrade in four years or less. Some of our current pilots are experiencing much longer upgrades, but that won’t continue much longer. We didn’t hire between 2007-2011, during the economic downturn, and so we had a gap in upgrades too. Code:
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