Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 2309174)

What isn't true? A modification to your original trip that changes the show or end of your trip by more than 4 hours must first be offered back as a RAT before being put into SUB, but that doesn't mean that any trip that starts more than 4 hours prior to the original trip or ends 4 hours after is offered as a RAT. You don't even have to be available for assignment until 4 hours prior and your sub window ends 4 hours after the end of the original trip.

If you are on a trip and they have you come in early and this causes you to go past contractual on duty limits for the next trip, you go into SUB for the next trip. They can offer you RAT for the trip they just SUB'd you on. You don't have to take it though because it goes beyond the contractual scheduling limits. This has happened to me.

We use to get SUB if they changed the layover city. They would offer the trip back to you at RAT, then if you denied it, they would offer it as a SUB trip. We gave up the city change a couple of contracts ago though, so maybe their isn't a scenario now where they can offer RAT and then offer the same trip as SUB, but if there is a way, they will find it.

Again, a RAT (Reassignment Trip) is a reassignment of your original trip.

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 2309158)

An airport standby is a pairing like Mark said, though it doesn't have a hotel room, just a sleep room. The hotel standby has a hotel room. An airport hold happens during sub when they don't have a trip for you, but want you to stay at the airport. If your trip has less than 72 hours TAFB and they put you on airport hold and don't use you, you have satisfied your SUB. Airport hold is a SUB assignment. If you are given airport hold and don't turn down sub, you are agreeing to be available at the airport for a trip assignment.

Originally Posted by kronan (Post 2309192)

SUB for a layover change??

Just looked at my 2006 CBA...SUB looks pretty much like it does in the current CBA.

Originally Posted by KnightFlyer (Post 2309273)

One of the biggest games they are playing is you never get a release for your trip at showtime. Nothing is changed to your pairing. You aren't flying it but they have another crew on a different a/c type flying your exact trip (usually a 9XX flight number in the afternoon) with the exact same times. The JS screen shows the gauge change too. CRS knows nothing. GOC "knows" nothing. Hours later you have a completely different routing (now that they really have an aircraft available or need freight moved elsewhere, etc.). No SUB, no limit to how long you are on the hook (up to max duty limits), can't turn it down (however now you get all the disruption pay). A birdie told me that if this is starting to unfold, call the DO immediately so that he can mediate what the real plan is with GOC. Have a real plan or release you or ... They don't want you to have the option to turn it down ....