Leave UAL for FDX?
#122
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The best job in the world is the one you have at the time you retire. Make your bed and sleep in it. Quit second guessing everything. You will be happy or miserable with whatever decision you make. Just go back to early 2000. These same discussions were happening between every airline. All hell can break lose tomorrow and we can be in the same boat. Make your bed and sleep well
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#125
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
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FedEx or United?
Reviving this for some advice. I did it over in UA's thread, but I figured I can get some more FX people to chime in over here, considering historically most have left other carriers to go to FX.
I have a CJO at both. I'm 30, so my seniority will be great at either in the long run. I currently live in DEN, and I'd probably never leave this domicile. I wouldn't move to MEM, but if I find the right partner one day, I'd definitely consider CGN and HKG.
No idea how taxing 35 years of night flying at FedEx would be. That's really my biggest concern. It looks like United is going to be a very fast upgrade soon, and wide bodies will go to junior FO's if that's really a consideration. All seats of all planes at both airlines are trending downward consistently. Historically, it seems like a no brainer for FedEx, but times are unprecedented at United. If a massive downturn happens within the next 10 years, I'd still be okay at United. Based on what I can see on APC retirements, I'd be 27% at UAL and 38% at FX in 2036 accounting for zero expansion at both. With expansion it seems I could be top 20% at UA with 20 years left (APC only goes to 2036 for FX). I like to think either option is going to provide a great income for a family at some point in my life. The number one thing I care about is quality time off and pay. I'm hoping to have a happy family at some point. I won't be one to chase the dough. If i'm doing my math right, i'll probably retire top 100 at FX and top couple hundred at UA.
There are so many retirements at passenger airlines that it seems like a different animal compared to the past. Unprecedented. The unlucky generation of being at a pax carrier for 10 years and only having 400 below them doesn't seem comparable. I'll have 400+ below me in a few months starting at UA. It seems I'm at the beginning of a wave for UA, and maybe the middle for FX? The end of my career would be stellar FX with being able to start so young though.
What's the thoughts on living in base at United vs. commuting at FedEx?
I have a CJO at both. I'm 30, so my seniority will be great at either in the long run. I currently live in DEN, and I'd probably never leave this domicile. I wouldn't move to MEM, but if I find the right partner one day, I'd definitely consider CGN and HKG.
No idea how taxing 35 years of night flying at FedEx would be. That's really my biggest concern. It looks like United is going to be a very fast upgrade soon, and wide bodies will go to junior FO's if that's really a consideration. All seats of all planes at both airlines are trending downward consistently. Historically, it seems like a no brainer for FedEx, but times are unprecedented at United. If a massive downturn happens within the next 10 years, I'd still be okay at United. Based on what I can see on APC retirements, I'd be 27% at UAL and 38% at FX in 2036 accounting for zero expansion at both. With expansion it seems I could be top 20% at UA with 20 years left (APC only goes to 2036 for FX). I like to think either option is going to provide a great income for a family at some point in my life. The number one thing I care about is quality time off and pay. I'm hoping to have a happy family at some point. I won't be one to chase the dough. If i'm doing my math right, i'll probably retire top 100 at FX and top couple hundred at UA.
There are so many retirements at passenger airlines that it seems like a different animal compared to the past. Unprecedented. The unlucky generation of being at a pax carrier for 10 years and only having 400 below them doesn't seem comparable. I'll have 400+ below me in a few months starting at UA. It seems I'm at the beginning of a wave for UA, and maybe the middle for FX? The end of my career would be stellar FX with being able to start so young though.
What's the thoughts on living in base at United vs. commuting at FedEx?
#126
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
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Currently 8 months at UAL. Commuter. Late 20's, will retire top 20. Single, no kids. Just received and invite to interview with FDX. Live in mountain west, neither FDX nor UAL have a base here.
Pros at FDX are the ease of commuting with reserved JS. Larger % of widebody flying. For the the most part, they don't have a dog in the ME3 fight or other joint venture type flying loss. And finally, mission oriented style flying. No pax, terminal bag drag, FAs, TSA, etc. Pension + 8% D.C. Hard line bidding with conflict.
Cons are easily the night flying, the possibility of autonomous airliners in the future, Amazon style threats, as well as a potentially changing trade climate. Longer commute.
UAL has been great, but the volitility of the pax airline industry can be worrisome at times. Joint ventures, ME3 threats, etc. Also, when you're flying larger widebody equipment, you're essentially flying all nighters as well. RJ's, more 175's, etc.
I'll commute forever for both. This is one of my single biggest concerns.
Thoughts? UAL/FDX were my top choices if that even matters.
Pros at FDX are the ease of commuting with reserved JS. Larger % of widebody flying. For the the most part, they don't have a dog in the ME3 fight or other joint venture type flying loss. And finally, mission oriented style flying. No pax, terminal bag drag, FAs, TSA, etc. Pension + 8% D.C. Hard line bidding with conflict.
Cons are easily the night flying, the possibility of autonomous airliners in the future, Amazon style threats, as well as a potentially changing trade climate. Longer commute.
UAL has been great, but the volitility of the pax airline industry can be worrisome at times. Joint ventures, ME3 threats, etc. Also, when you're flying larger widebody equipment, you're essentially flying all nighters as well. RJ's, more 175's, etc.
I'll commute forever for both. This is one of my single biggest concerns.
Thoughts? UAL/FDX were my top choices if that even matters.
#127
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 303
In all seriousness, I would not interview at FedEx unless I would absolutely take the job. It makes no sense to burn a bridge you might actually need. I firmly believe you should never apply to a company unless you really would take the job. Wait until you actually want or need the job. Politely put them off it at all possible if you think you will stay at UAL and try to keep the option available.
#128
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Reviving this for some advice. I did it over in UA's thread, but I figured I can get some more FX people to chime in over here, considering historically most have left other carriers to go to FX.
I have a CJO at both. I'm 30, so my seniority will be great at either in the long run. I currently live in DEN, and I'd probably never leave this domicile. I wouldn't move to MEM, but if I find the right partner one day, I'd definitely consider CGN and HKG.
No idea how taxing 35 years of night flying at FedEx would be. That's really my biggest concern. It looks like United is going to be a very fast upgrade soon, and wide bodies will go to junior FO's if that's really a consideration. All seats of all planes at both airlines are trending downward consistently. Historically, it seems like a no brainer for FedEx, but times are unprecedented at United. If a massive downturn happens within the next 10 years, I'd still be okay at United. Based on what I can see on APC retirements, I'd be 27% at UAL and 38% at FX in 2036 accounting for zero expansion at both. With expansion it seems I could be top 20% at UA with 20 years left (APC only goes to 2036 for FX). I like to think either option is going to provide a great income for a family at some point in my life. The number one thing I care about is quality time off and pay. I'm hoping to have a happy family at some point. I won't be one to chase the dough. If i'm doing my math right, i'll probably retire top 100 at FX and top couple hundred at UA.
There are so many retirements at passenger airlines that it seems like a different animal compared to the past. Unprecedented. The unlucky generation of being at a pax carrier for 10 years and only having 400 below them doesn't seem comparable. I'll have 400+ below me in a few months starting at UA. It seems I'm at the beginning of a wave for UA, and maybe the middle for FX? The end of my career would be stellar FX with being able to start so young though.
What's the thoughts on living in base at United vs. commuting at FedEx?
I have a CJO at both. I'm 30, so my seniority will be great at either in the long run. I currently live in DEN, and I'd probably never leave this domicile. I wouldn't move to MEM, but if I find the right partner one day, I'd definitely consider CGN and HKG.
No idea how taxing 35 years of night flying at FedEx would be. That's really my biggest concern. It looks like United is going to be a very fast upgrade soon, and wide bodies will go to junior FO's if that's really a consideration. All seats of all planes at both airlines are trending downward consistently. Historically, it seems like a no brainer for FedEx, but times are unprecedented at United. If a massive downturn happens within the next 10 years, I'd still be okay at United. Based on what I can see on APC retirements, I'd be 27% at UAL and 38% at FX in 2036 accounting for zero expansion at both. With expansion it seems I could be top 20% at UA with 20 years left (APC only goes to 2036 for FX). I like to think either option is going to provide a great income for a family at some point in my life. The number one thing I care about is quality time off and pay. I'm hoping to have a happy family at some point. I won't be one to chase the dough. If i'm doing my math right, i'll probably retire top 100 at FX and top couple hundred at UA.
There are so many retirements at passenger airlines that it seems like a different animal compared to the past. Unprecedented. The unlucky generation of being at a pax carrier for 10 years and only having 400 below them doesn't seem comparable. I'll have 400+ below me in a few months starting at UA. It seems I'm at the beginning of a wave for UA, and maybe the middle for FX? The end of my career would be stellar FX with being able to start so young though.
What's the thoughts on living in base at United vs. commuting at FedEx?
#129
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 14
Somehow I don’t think a scatterbrain like you got hired by either…but I’ll bite. Go with United. You’re in domicile. And you’ll never ever ever ever have to fly 35 years of treacherous crazy nite flying. Because that’s all we do. No matter what our seniority. Until we retire. Forever.
#130
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 840
All I can say is that whether it's day or night, commuting gets old pretty fast. If you have a choice to live in base for an airline of your liking, just do it and don't look back. Granted there are people who have done so successfully but there is a price to be paid. Nothing like getting off a trip and being home in an hour or two from the parking lot.
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