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Old 11-26-2017, 08:35 AM   #21  
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Wish we had short call long call.
We do, R24... oh wait 🤔
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Old 11-26-2017, 09:05 AM   #22  
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Also, regarding the time on the ground in MEM during day or night hub turns. You’re not “on duty” by any stretch of the imagination. You’re in domicile, your trip is over, you’re off the pay clock and not accruing any per diem. What I think he meant to convey is the time you spend turning in MEM counts toward you total duty because it’s not long enough to constitute a legal rest period.

My theory on the “rhyme or reason” of weekend layovers versus deadheads is simple dollars and cents. If it’s cheaper to deadhead a crew out on Fri/Sat and deadhead another in Mon rather that pay two pilots for the layover plus per diem, then the bean counters make the call.
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We do, R24... oh wait 🤔
We also have a three hour call out option in MEM. Never been used since CBA was signed in 98. Never give the company options or they will always "take advantage" of poor wording. R-24 is never used the way intended and totally violates the spirit of the law. Don't think union has ever addressed it either.
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:00 AM   #24  
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Thanks for the detailed write up guys. Hope to one day to work there. Living in west Tn, FDX would be great for me.
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Also, regarding the time on the ground in MEM during day or night hub turns. You’re not “on duty” by any stretch of the imagination. You’re in domicile, your trip is over, you’re off the pay clock and not accruing any per diem. What I think he meant to convey is the time you spend turning in MEM counts toward you total duty because it’s not long enough to constitute a legal rest period.

My theory on the “rhyme or reason” of weekend layovers versus deadheads is simple dollars and cents. If it’s cheaper to deadhead a crew out on Fri/Sat and deadhead another in Mon rather that pay two pilots for the layover plus per diem, then the bean counters make the call.
Amazed how many guys don’t know, or understand, the significance of your first paragraph.

And remember: Off duty - no requirement to answer your phone
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Weekend layovers also seem to dwindle/disappear when manning is tight likely for productivity since the layover days count as days worked on a line.
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Old 11-27-2017, 12:44 PM   #27  
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Thanks for taking the time to type that out KC10 Fatboy.
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Old 11-27-2017, 04:16 PM   #28  
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Amazed how many guys don’t know, or understand, the significance of your first paragraph.

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6 hour day hubturn layovers hurt the perdiem check
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6 hour day hubturn layovers hurt the per diem check
God bless the guys who count each nickel.

Two 757 trips...compare them. 394 goes to Jax during the day, 754 to TLH at night. I picked those because I've flown both (in the MD-11 and 727 respectively) and they are about the same distance.

The day trip pays 19 hours per diem. The AM trip pays 22.

Our new domestic per diem rate is $2.30 domestically. So--basic math:

JAX day trip pays $43.70. TLH pays $50.60, or a different of $6.90.

In the event just [I]maybe[I] you would rather fly days, go have a beer at dinner, and piddle away 4-5 hours in MEM during the day working out, golfing, working on business endeavors, or whatever, but really need that seven bucks...here's a suggestion. Eat cat food. Really. You can get some saltines, a can of cat food, and have a lunch and pocket and invest that 7 bucks while you read your Dave Ramsey book. You are probably still healthier, happier, and wealthier than being a bleary eyed hub turn machine. Years ago I knew a captain who said his whole goal for his month was to eat on less than his per diem every day on the road. Ryan's buffets were one option, but his standard SOP was to RTB to the room with some subway or McDonalds take out. Then again..."Living the Dream" is a matter of individual taste.

Conversely, if you cannot hold day flying, your goal is to go find a "Captain Cat Food" and make him an offer he cannot refuse. Offer to trade your high per diem, middle of the night multi leg hub turn, and tell him you will even pay him ten whole dollars a day to offset any potential per diem shortfall.

Me? If/when I RTB to the land of the big BX, I will gladly trade any night flying for your day trip and hand you a crisp set of bills for the difference. At WB captain rates I'll even throw in more than the 7 bucks.....

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Old 11-27-2017, 06:19 PM   #30  
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I spend way more than my per diem every day. Usually buying my FO's beer when I'm lucky enough to have a layover long enough. So making a casual comment about lack of per diem when not on legal rest is nothing more than that. I'd rather never get a per diem raise and tear up the SIG side letter and the 8/24 givebacks.

BTW. Still can't hold day trips.
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