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Old 11-04-2017 | 04:58 PM
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Sorry for the intrusion from a Delta (Northwest) puke but I have a question about FDX MD11 training. One of our newer guys recently quit to go to FDX. He reported that training was incredible compared to Delta and that MD11 training was just under a 60 day footprint for initial. The super-defensive among the Deltoids are saying that's because of the MD11 accidents and that the FAA has mandated that long of a footprint. Sounds like BS to me because it wouldn't take that much extra to understand that the MD11 is tail-power limited when slow and in the flare. Appreciate the facts about MD11 training straight from the source.

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Old 11-04-2017 | 06:19 PM
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I have actually attended MD-11 school at both Delta and Fedex.

It was like night and day, they were so different.

But Fedex covered many more subjects - MD10 differences, HUD/EFVS, International ops, etc....
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Old 11-04-2017 | 06:39 PM
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I'm calling BS on the mandatory extra FAA training. I've been on the MD-11 for most of the past 23 years. I've seen various versions of upset recovery training, bounced landing training & International training

The MD-11 landing characteristics are unique. I'd say it's more difficult to land consistently (tougher than the DC-10, 747 or 727). Quite frankly I think the MD-11 lands more like a 727-200 than a DC-10.

All-in-all it's a great airplane. I enjoyed flying it very much. Sadly the greater efficiency of the 777 will replace the MD-11's one day.

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Old 11-04-2017 | 07:05 PM
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There's 35 training days with 16 scheduled days off interspersed. So yes it's pretty long. But it was this long 12 years ago too, so I don't think the accidents or faa made it that way.
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Old 11-04-2017 | 07:06 PM
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Training Footprints of all the fleets are very similar in length.


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Old 11-04-2017 | 07:49 PM
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Thanks everyone, I didn't think this sounded right. Appreciate the responses.

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Old 11-04-2017 | 08:37 PM
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An FAA mandated training footprint would be antithetical to the principles of AQP, assuming FDX is AQP.
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Old 11-05-2017 | 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
He reported that training was incredible compared to Delta
Incredible in what way? Incredibly long? Incredibly inadequate? Incredibly good?
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Old 11-05-2017 | 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
Incredible in what way? Incredibly long? Incredibly inadequate? Incredibly good?
Incredibly good and had him very well prepared to fly the line.
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Old 11-05-2017 | 05:09 AM
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Delta ground schools have never won any awards.
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