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harvick4 12-24-2017 07:09 AM

Fedex Bid
 
Can someone explain to me what the next bid will do to junior pilots? Will we be pushed down to the 75. Do you keep WB pay? I have no idea how bidding works and people I ask have way different opinions. I'm just happy to be here, and there's going to be so much movement in the next few years it really won't matter.

pinseeker 12-24-2017 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by harvick4 (Post 2488889)
Can someone explain to me what the next bid will do to junior pilots? Will we be pushed down to the 75. Do you keep WB pay? I have no idea how bidding works and people I ask have way different opinions. I'm just happy to be here, and there's going to be so much movement in the next few years it really won't matter.

The way I understand it, and I could be wrong, is if you are junior in your seat, you might be forced out to a lower paying seat if enough pilots senior to you want your seat.

If you do get forced out of your seat, once you activate in your new seat, you will get paid at your new seat rate. If it is the 75, you lose WB pay.

kronan 12-24-2017 07:57 AM

Nobody knows how it will play out.
As I understand it, not having refreshed my memory on the verbiage.

Management has the leeway to keep you in your current seat versus incurring the additional training costs.

But, for the 777 new hires, I'd expect your seat seniority to be reduced...as the individuals who Didn't have the opportunity to bid into that seat Upgrade.

Folks flexing between seats & pay rates has Long been the industry norm. Would be a lot nicer if FedEx did more frequent bids, and maybe that'll be what the future holds as the new system is implemented. FedEx is certainly going to be saving $$ as we transition from passover to SDP.
But it'll be a heck of a lot nicer to have control over When we go to Upgrade training

FlyBoyd 12-24-2017 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by kronan (Post 2488925)


But it'll be a heck of a lot nicer to have control over When we go to Upgrade training

The company moves dates all the time. Is there any provision in the bid for training verbiage to really lock in your date? Or will we just feel better about bidding, the company will save money on passover pay, and then move it anyways?

gatorhater 12-24-2017 09:00 AM

I believe you can only be forced out of a seat for two reasons 1)if there is a reduction in seat positions or 2) if a senior pilot was forced from their position and chooses your seat. The company could then choose to bump you or carry an extra in said seat.

I don’t believe just because someone now decides they want to move they can. That could cost 10s of millions in training. Reading the contract does not seem to allow for the ‘bump and flush’ some guys seem so desperate for.

I’ve been wrong before, it certainly could happen again.

busdriver12 12-24-2017 09:32 AM

Excuse me for being so uninformed, but apparently I missed the memo.

Is there an excess bid coming out? If not, why would anyone be afraid of getting forced out of their seat, is it something to do with the 2015 contract?

Nightflyer 12-24-2017 10:32 AM

The new contract language changes the bid procedure.

I am not sure how it will be interpreted, and no one else seems to know either.

It might be interpreted to allow a bump and flush on every bid, but I am not an attorney.

Many new hires in wide body right seats are wondering about this.

It might be nice for the company and or the union to explain how "it is supposed to work". Hopefully, both sides will agree...:rolleyes:

Check6Viper 12-24-2017 10:35 AM

I don't think there are excess bids anymore. My understanding of the new language is that the company publishes manning levels in each seat, and if a seat is over manned by X people, then X pilots could be excessed.

BlueMoon 12-24-2017 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by Nightflyer (Post 2489000)
The new contract language changes the bid procedure.

I am not sure how it will be interpreted, and no one else seems to know either.

It might be interpreted to allow a bump and flush on every bid, but I am not an attorney.

Many new hires in wide body right seats are wondering about this.

It might be nice for the company and or the union to explain how "it is supposed to work". Hopefully, both sides will agree...:rolleyes:

I doubt the company would interpret it as a bump and flush for every bid. That would just drive more training events and associated costs.

gatorhater 12-24-2017 11:32 AM

Not just the company. There were two parties that crafted this language. The other one, which officially represents us, hasn’t put out an intreptation either.


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