urinmyseat

I bet you're one of those guys that don't think senior guys should be allowed to bid day flying either?

This is my fourth airline, and the first where reserve pay was less than line holder pay. The places I've been, including a now merged major, had reserve systems that were light years ahead of ours.

I just don't understand this new idea of constant class warfare. If you think reserve is so great, move to your base and bid it. Don't begrudge folks who have made that choice. Work to improve your future, and worry less about lowering other's to match yours.

Adlerdriver

No idea what this even means.

Lots of ways to skin this cat but at myyyyyyyy other airline, reserve guarantee was lower than line holders and days off were CBA minimum.

It's what you can negotiate.

No argument from me on the reserve system here. I'd guess it's one of the worst at any top tier airline.

I don't think reserve is great - I just said it sucks. I spent two years solid commuting to reserve. But I still don't think burning negotiating capital to pay reserves 6CH per day and have less R-days each month is a good use of resources. Our reserves are rarely, if ever, overworked.

I also don't think sitting at home or a crash-pad on call is the same thing as actually hub-turning and moving freight around the world. So why should we make them pay the same? The nice thing is, if reserves actually end up actually working as much as their line-holding counterparts, they get compensated for it. If they don't, then by definition, they got some paid time at home (or at least playing x-box in the crash pad).

I'm not trying to "lower anyone's future". I think the balance between lack of actual work on reserve and extra pay if someone gets used a lot is reasonable. I'd love to see the reserve "future" improve for those who choose or get stuck in that situation. I think a far better use of our resources would be to improve the reserve system for those in it rather than just throw some money at the problem.

NewOldGuy

[QUOTE=Adlerdriver; The nice thing is, if reserves actually end up actually working as much as their line-holding counterparts, they get compensated for it. If they don't, then by definition, they got some paid time at home (or at least playing x-box in the crash pad).
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I’m still a very junior guy on property, but that has not been my experience? If I get launched during an Rday, I only get paid Rday value. I don’t get paid the full 6 or even higher if the flight value is higher? If it overlaps 2 days, you could maybe argue I’m getting paid 2 Rdays and the other guy is getting only 8 or 9, but then again they can turn me right back out into another trip without paying for that trip if it’s in the same Rday?
Maybe I’m just reading my pay wrong, but if you sit at home you get Rday pay ~4.5CH. If you launch you still only get 4.5CH, not 6?

I’m not necessarily arguing that’s worth negotiating power, but at least for my own education if I’m wrong I would like to know it because my pay is not equal for the same flight period.

GF22

"2. One pay scale. I’m baffled that a FedEx 757 pilot earns significantly less then a UPS 757 pilot. I’ve heard stories about how this came about - if true it seems like the company pulled a fast one."

I'd be interested in hearing the story behind the different pay scales for the narrow and wide body as well.

I haven't been with the company long but I think an improvement in the contract could be the use of bank allowances. If you deviate and any non-used money goes in the bank it shouldn't half each subsequent month...Even better, any left over bank money goes in your pay check.

Adlerdriver

I’m sure I muddied the water and confused you. Sorry.

The point I was making is if a reserve worked all 15/19 days of his schedule (or pretty close to all days) - I mean actually flew just about every day, his hours would exceed RLG and he would get draft pay for any hour exceeding that RLG.

It may not be common domestically does happen with 777 guys with some regularity due to the nature of the trips.

But, yes if you only work say, 8 days out of 15, you’re correct. You’re going to get your RLG. But, glass half full, you had 7 days without flying. Probably a good thing for most guys living in MEM.

Nightflyer

We need full per diem.

Our ridiculously low per diem rates cost the average international crew member at least $10,000 a year, tax free.

ALPA won't negotiate for this, because they don't get "their cut", but they insist that "my NC speaks for me". I say BS. "My" NC speaks for ALPA National.

Demand full per diem from your block rep and see what he says.

FDX1

(S)he might say "we have the best in the industry!". You guys are great, never let the facts stand in the way of a good sound bite.

INTERNATIONAL PERDIEM RATES:

Alaska.......2.15
American......2.80
Delta..............2.90
FedEx...............3.15
Jet Blue...1.90
Southwest...2.30
United..........2.40
UPS....67% Gov Rate

INTERNATIONAL OVERRIDE: (CAPTAIN)
Alaska.......5.00
American......6.00
Delta...............6.50
FedEx...............10.00
Jet Blue.......5.11
Southwest...3%
United..............6.50
UPS.................6.50

Nightflyer

Just because we are the best in the industry doesn't mean full per diem shouldn't be a goal.

Your list also shows that ALPA national does not consider full per diem a goal at any of their airlines.

Did you ever think to ask yourself why? Because they don't get their cut!!!

Full per diem would put $10,000 tax free dollars into the pockets of every international pilot at FedEx, and FedEx could write it off as a business expense.

Negotiate full per diem first, then pay rates.

MEMA300

• Add no 8 in 24 back in contract
• Tear up SIG SLA and go back to historically built pairings
• Real deviation bank based on actual cost to get a crew in place.
• No Sub policy. Flight canx you get paid.
• profit sharing.
^^^^all above are benefits or work rules we previously lived under, some pre and post FPA.
• Add A-plan enhancements, more credit for 25yos, no penalty after 25yrs
• short call long call, like most other airlines have.
•lose line number after 5 yrs non line job.

package puppy

Do you show everyone your hand while playing poker too?