pinseeker

You are certainly sensitive, aren't you? I quoted that part to point out that you are doing a great job of trying to divide the entire crew force.

Maybe this is just my way of micro-agressively mentoring you.

Go Navy!

JollyF15

And you still avoid the real subject and drop Chaff trying to decoy everyone off topic.

Do you really feel our screening process is not broken?
Do you really feel there's no bias toward those pilots with PEs?

155mm

The fact is, FedEx chose me. I simply applied to every airline and they gave me the first job offer.

-A Grateful FedEx Captain

P.S. I want to express my thanks to United for turning me down.

pinseeker

I have no idea if there is bias towards those with PE's other than what has been stated in this thread. I think that a PE should carry some weight, but not trump everything else.

Pilots do the interviewing. Pilots do the sim qualification rides. Pilots conduct OE. Pilots write the PEP's. If so many bad apples are getting through, then it is our fault. Faceless posts on an Internet forum aren't going to fix any problems.

I have flown with a lot of new hires, both civilian and military, and they have all been very good. Your posts, however, seem to insinuate that unless you had a PE, you are just barely above the bar and only got your job as part of some quota. If I were a new hire, I would be offended.

JollyF15

1) PEs are actually hurting people, that' the point.
Is there proof? Yes there is.

2) Three Years ago, too many letters were hurting people. Do we have proof? I got that information from an incredibly reliable source in an effort to get some overly qualified people here.

3) Have we interviewed pilots with lower scores before those with higher scores (because the higher scoring candidates had PEs)? Yes we have. Do we have proof? Yes we do.

4) Am I trying to insult those we've hired in the past 3 years? No, I've actually trained some off those young CRJ types we have referenced (all civilian) and they have been incredibly sharp.

5) Did we pass on interviewing a Test Pilot School Graduate who happened to be a Space X pilot? Yes we did. Did we interview and hire others long before ever calling him that obviously would have scored lower on the Kavorkian Matirx? Yes we did.

Can we stick to the facts and not make this personal? I'm hoping the answer is yes.

Can we get off this Military vs Civilian BS and stick to the facts? I'm hoping so. That's up you and those like you.

123456789

who cares. It’s not your job or my job to pick candidates. It’s our job to mentor them when they get online. I haven’t seen a drop off in quality of candidates that come through the school house.

pinseeker

Were did I make this a military vs civilian thing? As a military pilot, I simply was having fun with your SNAP acronym. Maybe you should lighten up and stop being a SNAP.

pinseeker

Then stop making it personal.

Moosefire

I know nothing about this guy, or most of the “highly qualified” folks not getting invites but my gut tells me there’s more to the story.

Could be:
-Recency of experience (military guys with rank that haven’t been flying often enough)
-Not updating application often enough
-Maybe even a skeleton or two in the closet they don’t want to share.
-Errors on the app

Plus lots and lots of other possibilities

Moosefire

Additionally my understanding is that a panel of captains reviews applicants as well before interview invitations are extended. That may not highlight everyone we want to see get hired, but should filter some out.