skypig

Everyone getting offended. Like the snowflake who got offended when he was ‘bullied’ on a flight when the capt pulled out the checklist before he called for it....the term was ‘Gesture Bullying’.

I heard guys are getting offended by the hand gesture to raise the flaps after takeoff while they are transmitting to departure. An obvious sign on the PNF’s lack of SA/ability to prioritize the age old Aviate, Navigate and communicate process.

Heard a new hire refused to bring up both meals when he went to the back, because nothing in the CBA required him to bring the Capt’s meal to him. As if the Capt was forcing some type of personal servitude on him.

I didn’t think the OP was offensive, nor do I think Jolly was being offensive. Maybe people are getting tired of walking on eggshells because no one knows what’s going to hurt someone’s feelings now...like this job is that hard to adapt to socially lol....let’s see if I figured it out: Come to work, fly nice jets, go drink a beer and talk $h!#. Oh yeah, be able to fly...not so hard.

5millionaire

[QUOTE=JollyF15;2536169]Ah, our pilots get to decide who is HIRED. Can’t say that at most majors. SWA, DAL, and AA all have a HR person at some point in the interview process.

5millionaire

[QUOTE=JollyF15;2536169]You said mil guys need CRM training. Only single seat guys would need CRM training.

fr8doggiestyle

Yeah, totally not offensive when someone says that we 'snowflakes' were hired "barely above the bar" and "FedEx sadly isn't hiring captains anymore". I worked my @$$ off to get here and so did everyone in my class. The tone of these posts is condescending as hell - we aren't being snowflakes about it. It's almost like if someone didn't come from where you did they don't meet the definition of being an 'aviator' or deserve to make the cut for being hired. It's time to put away the silk scarf, flight suit, and forget F-15C systems. Please, realize that just because you didn't recommend a person, they may still deserve to be here.

Also, two anecdotal rumor mill stories about people being offended is hardly the broad brush with which to paint a whole group. I've enjoyed almost every person I've flown with here because fundamentally we are all on the same team and 90% of the guys are great - regardless of their track to get here.

Yes, the system for recommending pilots should change. However, the current system is still putting through solid and capable candidates. End of story. FedEx hasn't lowered the bar to find pilots. They still have their pick of the best - both military and civilian.

skypig

[QUOTE=fr8doggiestyle;2536214]Yeah, totally not offensive when someone says that we 'snowflakes' were hired "barely above the bar" and "FedEx sadly isn't hiring captains anymore". I worked my @$$ off to get here and so did everyone in my class. The tone of these posts is condescending as hell - we aren't being snowflakes about it. It's almost like if someone didn't come from where you did they don't meet the definition of being an 'aviator' or deserve to make the cut for being hired. It's time to put away the silk scarf, flight suit, and forget F-15C systems. Time to realize that just because you didn't recommend them, they may still deserve to be here.

Also, two anecdotal rumor mill stories about people being offended is hardly the broad brush with which to paint a whole group. I've enjoyed almost every person I've flown with here because fundamentally we are all on the same team and 90% of the guys are great - regardless of their track to get here.

Yes, the system for recommending pilots should change. However, the current system is still putting through solid and capable candidates. End of story. FedEx hasn't lowered the bar to find pilots. They still have their pick of the best - both military and civilian


Wow, that was fast. Sorry for the delay in my response. I was busy getting an extra shot of espresso in my latte after having a kale smoothie lol..

Typical angry response, your hatred for the prior military is appalling. And immature. You say condescending? Ha, Sounds like you should reread your paragraph 6. Of your 6. Paragraph insult.

To start. You insult every military guy at this company with that one. I’m sorry you had to work hard to get here, trust me you have no idea how hard the military guys had to work. Maybe you should have gone to the recruiter and given it a shot...

It’s almost poetic that you accuse the original poster about whining as you whine about cronyism, having to work hard and being insulted. But, be sure...whining about the hiring process being so prejudicial is part of the reason it’s taken a turn. So it works...

It’s sad that’s you’ve ruminated over this issue and have had a chip on your shoulder about military pilots, prior hiring at FedEx, silk scarves and call signs. I’d go out on a limb and say that 99% of the prior military guys don’t look down on civ backgrounds. And I definitely don’t, I did 8 years at a regional.

So, keep entertaining us with your myopic, well thought out talking points. And by all means, keep up the military bashing. Because it’s very clear that your dislike of the military is what prompted you to “waste your time”responding to this thread in the first place.

fr8doggiestyle

I'm not angry. I am not bashing the military. I have nothing but respect for those that served and had I not had terrible myopia (ironically enough), I would have accepted my service academy appointment. I wanted to fly and chose a different route. My gripe, which you categorized as anger, is that the OP lumps those of us here in the last few years as "just above the bar" and insinuates we are less deserving due to some preconceived 'bloodline' we don't possess. It's specific to one comment by one person. It's the 1% of mil guys that do look down on civilians like we just popped out of a Piper Warrior that I find irritating. I never flew tactical missions but I can tell you a thing or two about CAT II approaches as a 121 PIC. We all have experience and qualifications to be here.

Let's keep the focus on changing the recommendation system and not on taking pot shots at those he sees as unfit to join the ranks. I apologize for any offense I may have caused - let's move on. Friends again?

PS - if you enjoy kale smoothies so be it. Let's hope we don't share the flight deck or else I'll be on O2 the whole flight. You'll recognize me in my skinny jeans with ear buds in...

Adlerdriver

Only someone who has absolutely no idea what goes on during the average single seat fighter sortie would make this statement.

skypig

Ha ha, that’s a good one . I want to be clear, I don’t think Fedex has lowered their standards. Like I said, 99% of my partners in crime are fantastic and I enjoy my trips, so do they.

I’ll sign off on a friendly note. Thanks for the dialogue, I’ve enjoyed it. It’s good to argue the finer points of hiring, selection etc. But please, take one thing away, the prior mil guys are are not the issue here. I’ll leave it at that.

I would look forward to flying with you in the future. You’ll be able to tell it’s me by my spit shined boots, my silk scarf in fine Marine colors and my salty Ray Bans.

Take care

JollyF15

[QUOTE=5millionaire;2536211]
I don’t know if I should recommend SNAP intervention, or just thank you all for proving my point.

The Walrus

I just wish that people people would learn how to use the quote feature on this sight so that their posts would actually be readable.