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Old 03-20-2018, 12:24 PM
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We just lost another one.... OUTSTANDING!

We lost the lie flat/FC grievance. So we have that going for us

When will we learn. Pilots negotiating against $1000 an hour labor attorneys. We lose every time.
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:49 PM
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Yep. And the union says that the language is clear that the company was violating the contract. Take a look at grievance 18-01. Now the company has found a way of forcing pilots to pay the administrative costs in the health care accounts that the company is suppose to pay.

Why do we think that we can negotiate a VB plan that the company won't take advantage of?
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:12 PM
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Good job ALPA, proving law of averages wrong since...
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But But we were assured the language did not need a statement like "in no case less than a lay flat seat in first class etc." because they had it all the intent documented. What a arrogant dumba** the N.C. chairman was during that time.
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But But we were assured the language did not need a statement like "in no case less than a lay flat seat in first class etc." because they had it all the intent documented. What a arrogant dumba** the N.C. chairman was during that time.

The ALPA dues are more and more seeming a questionable investment.
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When ALPA was voted on the property, we were told we would have access to better lawyers to protect us from bad contract language.

My understanding is we are employing the exact same lawyers as were employed by the FPA. So, how many lost arbitrations does it take before we finally get the long promised "better lawyers"? We should fire any attorney that looked over the last contract, as they have clearly proven they are inept.

It is time for professional negotiators. We have been played by the company way too many times.

We were also promised, by ALPA, we would have access to "deep pockets" for negotiating. But our MEC did not want to use this money. Why? I have heard two explanations. 1) Our union is corrupt, and they would have had to show the books to ALPA National and they didn't want to do that. 2) ALPA National would have shut down all other committees except for the NC committee, and the MEC didn't want to do that. If deep pocket money is available, but the union won't use it, exactly why are we affiliated with ALPA?

If "better" lawyers are available, but we are still using the ones who obviously are falling short of the "fix the language" goal. Why aren't they fired?

Now, the MEC, who FUBAR'd the last contract negotiation, wants us to give away our retirement? If we vote for the VB scheme, how many more ways will the company stick it to us? If we vote for the VB scheme, how many more grievances will we lose?

Any member of the NC that is on any kind of job that pays trip removal should be removed from that position immediately. They have not earned it. They should fly the line, like the rest of us, under the rules that they negotiated.

Any attorney that reviewed the 2015 contract should be fired for incompetence.

Incompetence must have consequences!!!

I didn't get called for the survey, but I am told one of the questions was "do you trust your union". Well, I, for one, would give that answer a big "NO!".

It is way past time for professional negotiators. It is way past time to fire our attorneys and find some that actually can do the job.

MEC, are you listening? I doubt it, but you should.
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What happen to "just culture"? Sure seems like a one-way street and a little disingenuous when they dig through the contract to find re-interpretations to save money and score double when they eventually win the arbitration.


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Old 03-21-2018, 01:18 PM
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The company has announced that they will give some of the income tax savings to the hourly employees and management bonuses.

They have been remarkably silent as to whether any of this windfall will go to the pilots.

Yet every year after peak, we are praised for "going the extra mile".

Praise is worthless. Show me the money.
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the company has announced that they will give some of the income tax savings to the hourly employees and management bonuses.

They have been remarkably silent as to whether any of this windfall will go to the pilots.

Yet every year after peak, we are praised for "going the extra mile".

Praise is worthless. Show me the money.
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It’s easier to write your check to ALPA than run ur own union like FPA. Not until more than 47% of us get our head out of our ass and read a contract and realize what we are giving up for a 3-4% raise will things change. SIG SLA was hardly even discussed during the 07-08 contract. That was the equivalent of giving them PBS as far as efficiency gains are concerned. Let’s see 8in24 this last contract.

I honestly don’t care anymore because it doesn’t matter what you think. Get ur medical, pass your checkride, retire and get the eff out of here. No use beating your head against the wall.
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