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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
(Post 2570938)
Something like a concert smoke machine. Very thick smoke...almost truly couldn't see your hand in front of your face in full daylight. Supposedly safe to breathe, but you're wearing a mask and smoke goggles too. It did an amazing job showing me how SOL you would be with bad smoke in the cockpit.
I know Flight Safety uses smoke generators in some sims to set up emergencies. They used to at least. Don't know if they have/train EVAS along with it. It was a no-motion cockpit simulator, but controls/instruments worked and you could see through the windscreen well enough to land, certainly better than you could with just smoke goggles. |
Originally Posted by Busdrivr
(Post 2571442)
Yes, with training. What if that training was 18 months ago?
In any case, the EVAS is pretty simple and easy IMO, YMMV, but glad I have it. Simple, doesn't rely on much, no aircraft systems to go wrong using it when need it the most. Low tech when everything is in a bad way. I'm fine with high tech too. Just have had some fail in my career that created a problem when needed most. This product is not even on the market. You appear to dislike the option, no worries. If your company ever installs it, you can forget as fast as you desire. Cheers |
Originally Posted by SaltyDog
(Post 2572530)
We train annually. Since I carry literally tons of hazardous batteries and other flammable materials like many cargo dogs, I review essentially every flight some of the basics of fire emergencies. UPS Flight 6 and Asiana 991 are a good motivation for me to review and stay fresh on my own time beyond the annual mins. I Always have a fire runway selected as I progress throughout the flight.
In any case, the EVAS is pretty simple and easy IMO, YMMV, but glad I have it. Simple, doesn't rely on much, no aircraft systems to go wrong using it when need it the most. Low tech when everything is in a bad way. I'm fine with high tech too. Just have had some fail in my career that created a problem when needed most. This product is not even on the market. You appear to dislike the option, no worries. If your company ever installs it, you can forget as fast as you desire. Cheers |
IMO, This Tech is long overdue. Myself and 3 others are fortunate survivors of a smoke in the cockpit (and cabin) incident. It was the result of an electrical short during cruise. From the first wisp, to not being able to see a hand in front of my face was about 30 seconds. I was able to get the situation under control by isolating electrical power; though it was a pretty scary few minutes... As soon as I could see, I also initiated an emergency descent, to about 500 AGL. I would love to see these in all aircraft.
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PS, Just to be clear; my smoke in the cockpit incident happened years ago in a GA aircraft and had no connection to anything FedEx.
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Originally Posted by Busdrivr
(Post 2572696)
Okay you're on fire. Would you really prefer to spend the time trying to deploy the EVAS rather than using a quick donning mask and heading for a suitable airport. Seconds count when you"re on fire.
I can do it in about 15 secs after my mask is on. Takes 30 secs to inflate while I'm already concentrating and turning the jet to the fire runway that is in the fix page. I can do this today. I will physically see through the smoke. Low tech in a high tech fire is OK by me. High tech is fine too. Probability of failure just increases. I'm not against it, but you really have a gig against proven low tech available now. :rolleyes: I liked ejection seats to, but glad they had and taught manual bail out procedures for failures. To each their own. Cheers |
Originally Posted by SaltyDog
(Post 2572787)
LOL
I can do it in about 15 secs after my mask is on. Takes 30 secs to inflate while I'm already concentrating and turning the jet to the fire runway that is in the fix page. I can do this today. I will physically see through the smoke. Low tech in a high tech fire is OK by me. High tech is fine too. Probability of failure just increases. I'm not against it, but you really have a gig against proven low tech available now. :rolleyes: I liked ejection seats to, but glad they had and taught manual bail out procedures for failures. To each their own. Cheers I have nothing against EVAS. Just said 2 seconds is much shorter than how ever long it takes to position then inflate the EVAS when the cockpit is filled with smoke. I'll take EVAS over nothing any day. Thanks for you input though. |
Originally Posted by SaltyDog
(Post 2572787)
LOL
I can do it in about 15 secs after my mask is on. Takes 30 secs to inflate while I'm already concentrating and turning the jet to the fire runway that is in the fix page. I can do this today. I will physically see through the smoke. |
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