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Old 04-20-2018, 10:18 AM
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Fedex has declared war on you guys by way of Washington DC. Don’t think that your CEO of FedEx wasn’t in on this. He wants you pesky pilots gone...I guess the F/O’s for now. You guys better be emailing Tim Canoll about section 744 of this Bill. He is Washington DC all the time. Seems like they don’t seem too concerned. They keep applauding the bill but then they say on the side except section 744. That doesn’t seem to be enough. He doesn’t seemed too concerned to me. Maybe you guys need to give him a reminder that he represents all of you guys!!!

They want to take thousands of nice, good paying jobs away from us in orders to make a rich company more rich. Let’s fight back!!! Yeah I fly pax and not cargo but im with you guys. We are all in this industry together. And if they start with you guys then it’s just around the corner for me.

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Old 04-20-2018, 10:36 AM
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How many threads are you going to put this in?

ALPA has expressed concern. It's a study - my guess is they'll study.... and realize it's not quite as easy as some theoretical thinkers might hope.
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How many threads are you going to put this in?

ALPA has expressed concern. It's a study - my guess is they'll study.... and realize it's not quite as easy as some theoretical thinkers might hope.
I know it seems like over kill. But it just seems like ALPA needs to do more that put out a statement of disapproval. I want to know if they are meeting with lawmaker and getting them to take out section 744 while they are still ironing out the details before it’s put to a vote.

Yes your right it’s just a study. But what if some CEO had their hands in this study and fixed the outcome in their favor, Idk just a though. I’m sure nothing will come of this but just don’t want to sit idle doing nothing.
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
How many threads are you going to put this in?

ALPA has expressed concern. It's a study - my guess is they'll study.... and realize it's not quite as easy as some theoretical thinkers might hope.
What if you’re wrong?
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I heard a rumor they are now looking at converting the MD10 to a MD10SP. SP stands for single pilot with an option for an ejection seat.

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What if you’re wrong?
Fortunately, my opinion on this means nothing.

Hey, if ALPA can get this turned off, great. That will just postpone the inevitable. Part of me thinks they would be better off ensuring a realistic, unbiased evaluation of this idea is completed and ALPA is a part of publishing the results.

The technology to accomplish this shouldn't be where we focus resistance. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should be. It's about safety and the significant reduction in safety that would result by putting a single pilot in the same environment we current operate with two. Someone who can't possibly understand the ramifications of this change but just sees the simplistic fact that technology can do it will always be trying. Help them understand why it's a terrible idea from a safety and operator's standpoint and perhaps they'll be less likely to continue pushing for it.

On top of all that, I'd love to see a proposed price and specific plan for the required hardware and flight deck layout changes to accomplish a 777F conversion to single pilot.
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
Fortunately, my opinion on this means nothing.

Hey, if ALPA can get this turned off, great. That will just postpone the inevitable. Part of me thinks they would be better off ensuring a realistic, unbiased evaluation of this idea is completed and ALPA is a part of publishing the results.

The technology to accomplish this shouldn't be where we focus resistance. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should be. It's about safety and the significant reduction in safety that would result by putting a single pilot in the same environment we current operate with two. Someone who can't possibly understand the ramifications of this change but just sees the simplistic fact that technology can do it will always be trying. Help them understand why it's a terrible idea from a safety and operator's standpoint and perhaps they'll be less likely to continue pushing for it.

On top of all that, I'd love to see a proposed price and specific plan for the required hardware and flight deck layout changes to accomplish a 777F conversion to single pilot.
Well said!
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
Fortunately, my opinion on this means nothing.

Hey, if ALPA can get this turned off, great. That will just postpone the inevitable. Part of me thinks they would be better off ensuring a realistic, unbiased evaluation of this idea is completed and ALPA is a part of publishing the results.

The technology to accomplish this shouldn't be where we focus resistance. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should be. It's about safety and the significant reduction in safety that would result by putting a single pilot in the same environment we current operate with two. Someone who can't possibly understand the ramifications of this change but just sees the simplistic fact that technology can do it will always be trying. Help them understand why it's a terrible idea from a safety and operator's standpoint and perhaps they'll be less likely to continue pushing for it.

On top of all that, I'd love to see a proposed price and specific plan for the required hardware and flight deck layout changes to accomplish a 777F conversion to single pilot.
As long as it doesn't morph into, "We should support it so we have a seat at the table" and "the train has left the station" mindset that ALPA used to justify supporting age change despite majority of members not supporting.

I can see the survey now, "If the FAA changes the crew required for Cargo operations would you like ALPA to be part of the implementation?"

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And if they start with you guys then it’s just around the corner for me.



https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...loor-next-week

This is exactly what I was thinking. All commercial airline pilots should be paying attention to this.
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Originally Posted by NoHaz View Post
As long as it doesn't morph into, "We should support it so we have a seat at the table" and "the train has left the station" mindset that ALPA used to justify supporting age change despite majority of members not supporting.

I can see the survey now, "If the FAA changes the crew required for Cargo operations would you like ALPA to be part of the implementation?"
Pathetically true, sad to say. Very, very good point.
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