Fedex Hiring Part II
03-03-2021, 07:25 AM
#221
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Joined APC: Aug 2012
Posts: 667
Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Mark my words ... after COVID is done and gone, there’s going to be a lot of disappointed pilots at FedEx as the money printing machine ends.
You know these times are unprecedented and is not the norm.
You know these times are unprecedented and is not the norm.
03-03-2021, 06:27 PM
#222
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
Posts: 1,496
Pre-COVID vs current times: Right Place Right Time Right Resource. We (cargo community) are pretty much ALL doing much better than before the RONA, some in much more ways than before the PANICdemic and a boost on a projected downturn. We’ll see how this holds as this fever-pitch dies off. Granted, there were a few downfalls and hurdles to jump but the world was/is going thru it too. New contracts good stuff as it’s all a pickup game, when the dust settles let’s all hope for the best and keep on keeping on.
03-04-2021, 07:53 PM
#223
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,621
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
You have been spewing this bs on APC for years now. And in that time this job has done nothing but look better and better compared to other places. Do you hear yourself talk before you type? What other airline has had it so much better over the past 25 years? 15 years? 10 years? 5 years?
First, I've been consistent in what I've said since Contract 2015. Just because COVID hit and overnight created five years of growth for FedEx while creating furlough situations for many doesn't mean that I was wrong.
Second, new hires need to know the devil in the details. Yes, this is a great flying gig and has some exceptional perks. I came here for the pension but it seems Fedex ALPA is hellbent on replacing the pension with something that's never been tried before -- not holding my breath on that one. Please just let me have my pension the way it is and make the pancake plan or whatever you want to call it optional. But there are other issues ... being junior here sucks ... really sucks. We have one of the worst reserve systems. Period. And we have a very weak union. Remember, our last contract passed with 57% approval whereas UPS's and others passed in the high 90s.
Third, I never said any particular airline has it better than us. However, even in our own FedEx ALPA Contract Comparison 2021 document, we see that FedEx narrow body pilots pay is average compared to the majors while our narrow body pilots fly mostly night hub turns and the majors don't. A FedEx narrow body pilot is also more than 50K under paid compared to UPS. For Captains at the top rate, we again see FedEx pilots on average or slightly behind some majors. However, ALPA left off profit sharing. While COVID has killed the majors any chance of making a profit for this year and perhaps the next, when adding in profit sharing FedEx pilots are way behind on total compensation. I just think the pilot group which flies a high percentage of the flying at night should be paid more than the majors. I guess others don't agree. Oh well.
03-04-2021, 08:25 PM
#224
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: MD11 Captain
Posts: 364
Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
See, this is where you are wrong about me. What is wrong about discussing what needs to be fixed at our airline? Or what needs to be fixed in our contract? Nothing. You act like just because I see the negatives I don't think this isn't a great flying job. It is, but there are several caveats one needs to learn before jumping ship here.
First, I've been consistent in what I've said since Contract 2015. Just because COVID hit and overnight created five years of growth for FedEx while creating furlough situations for many doesn't mean that I was wrong.
Second, new hires need to know the devil in the details. Yes, this is a great flying gig and has some exceptional perks. I came here for the pension but it seems Fedex ALPA is hellbent on replacing the pension with something that's never been tried before -- not holding my breath on that one. Please just let me have my pension the way it is and make the pancake plan or whatever you want to call it optional. But there are other issues ... being junior here sucks ... really sucks. We have one of the worst reserve systems. Period. And we have a very weak union. Remember, our last contract passed with 57% approval whereas UPS's and others passed in the high 90s.
Third, I never said any particular airline has it better than us. However, even in our own FedEx ALPA Contract Comparison 2021 document, we see that FedEx narrow body pilots pay is average compared to the majors while our narrow body pilots fly mostly night hub turns and the majors don't. A FedEx narrow body pilot is also more than 50K under paid compared to UPS. For Captains at the top rate, we again see FedEx pilots on average or slightly behind some majors. However, ALPA left off profit sharing. While COVID has killed the majors any chance of making a profit for this year and perhaps the next, when adding in profit sharing FedEx pilots are way behind on total compensation. I just think the pilot group which flies a high percentage of the flying at night should be paid more than the majors. I guess others don't agree. Oh well.
First, I've been consistent in what I've said since Contract 2015. Just because COVID hit and overnight created five years of growth for FedEx while creating furlough situations for many doesn't mean that I was wrong.
Second, new hires need to know the devil in the details. Yes, this is a great flying gig and has some exceptional perks. I came here for the pension but it seems Fedex ALPA is hellbent on replacing the pension with something that's never been tried before -- not holding my breath on that one. Please just let me have my pension the way it is and make the pancake plan or whatever you want to call it optional. But there are other issues ... being junior here sucks ... really sucks. We have one of the worst reserve systems. Period. And we have a very weak union. Remember, our last contract passed with 57% approval whereas UPS's and others passed in the high 90s.
Third, I never said any particular airline has it better than us. However, even in our own FedEx ALPA Contract Comparison 2021 document, we see that FedEx narrow body pilots pay is average compared to the majors while our narrow body pilots fly mostly night hub turns and the majors don't. A FedEx narrow body pilot is also more than 50K under paid compared to UPS. For Captains at the top rate, we again see FedEx pilots on average or slightly behind some majors. However, ALPA left off profit sharing. While COVID has killed the majors any chance of making a profit for this year and perhaps the next, when adding in profit sharing FedEx pilots are way behind on total compensation. I just think the pilot group which flies a high percentage of the flying at night should be paid more than the majors. I guess others don't agree. Oh well.
If you can’t ignore him, at least don’t quote him. Most of us have placed him on “ignore” bc he’s clearly a troll.
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03-04-2021, 09:15 PM
#225
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,099
Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
I just think the pilot group which flies a high percentage of the flying at night should be paid more than the majors. I guess others don't agree. Oh well.
03-05-2021, 10:28 AM
#226
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,838
Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
See, this is where you are wrong about me. What is wrong about discussing what needs to be fixed at our airline? Or what needs to be fixed in our contract? Nothing. You act like just because I see the negatives I don't think this isn't a great flying job. It is, but there are several caveats one needs to learn before jumping ship here.
First, I've been consistent in what I've said since Contract 2015. Just because COVID hit and overnight created five years of growth for FedEx while creating furlough situations for many doesn't mean that I was wrong.
Second, new hires need to know the devil in the details. Yes, this is a great flying gig and has some exceptional perks. I came here for the pension but it seems Fedex ALPA is hellbent on replacing the pension with something that's never been tried before -- not holding my breath on that one. Please just let me have my pension the way it is and make the pancake plan or whatever you want to call it optional. But there are other issues ... being junior here sucks ... really sucks. We have one of the worst reserve systems. Period. And we have a very weak union. Remember, our last contract passed with 57% approval whereas UPS's and others passed in the high 90s.
Third, I never said any particular airline has it better than us. However, even in our own FedEx ALPA Contract Comparison 2021 document, we see that FedEx narrow body pilots pay is average compared to the majors while our narrow body pilots fly mostly night hub turns and the majors don't. A FedEx narrow body pilot is also more than 50K under paid compared to UPS. For Captains at the top rate, we again see FedEx pilots on average or slightly behind some majors. However, ALPA left off profit sharing. While COVID has killed the majors any chance of making a profit for this year and perhaps the next, when adding in profit sharing FedEx pilots are way behind on total compensation. I just think the pilot group which flies a high percentage of the flying at night should be paid more than the majors. I guess others don't agree. Oh well.
First, I've been consistent in what I've said since Contract 2015. Just because COVID hit and overnight created five years of growth for FedEx while creating furlough situations for many doesn't mean that I was wrong.
Second, new hires need to know the devil in the details. Yes, this is a great flying gig and has some exceptional perks. I came here for the pension but it seems Fedex ALPA is hellbent on replacing the pension with something that's never been tried before -- not holding my breath on that one. Please just let me have my pension the way it is and make the pancake plan or whatever you want to call it optional. But there are other issues ... being junior here sucks ... really sucks. We have one of the worst reserve systems. Period. And we have a very weak union. Remember, our last contract passed with 57% approval whereas UPS's and others passed in the high 90s.
Third, I never said any particular airline has it better than us. However, even in our own FedEx ALPA Contract Comparison 2021 document, we see that FedEx narrow body pilots pay is average compared to the majors while our narrow body pilots fly mostly night hub turns and the majors don't. A FedEx narrow body pilot is also more than 50K under paid compared to UPS. For Captains at the top rate, we again see FedEx pilots on average or slightly behind some majors. However, ALPA left off profit sharing. While COVID has killed the majors any chance of making a profit for this year and perhaps the next, when adding in profit sharing FedEx pilots are way behind on total compensation. I just think the pilot group which flies a high percentage of the flying at night should be paid more than the majors. I guess others don't agree. Oh well.
03-06-2021, 04:44 AM
#227
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,621
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay;[url=tel:3203213
3203213[/url]]How about that 06 contract? It had a 90% plus approval rate yet many of the things you complain about came from that CBA. Did you vote yes to it? I think this next CBA should make us the highest compensated regardless of the fact we fly nights. We produce much more revenue per flight hour than pax airlines. Pay rates are not the only pay in “total compensation” so let’s stop only looking at pay rates. I would rather see a bigger B plan than an increased A plan. Give me the current A and a big uncapped B plan. Let me do what I wish with my money. See how we will all have different opinions on this issue and we all will never agree...... I’m confident that if we as a group get unified we can achieve what we want. Going on social media and public web forums and trashing the people working to get those things won’t achieve that. If you decide to step up and volunteer with all your wisdom let me know and I will vote for you. Until then do what most line guys/gals do and support the people working to improve our CBA. I’m glad someone is taking the time to do it so I can just go home and do what I want with my time off.
03-07-2021, 08:29 AM
#228
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,621
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay;[url=tel:3203213
3203213[/url]]This is the best place ever!!!
Egg on your face bro.
03-08-2021, 01:13 AM
#229
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Joined APC: Jul 2019
Position: FO
Posts: 108
Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
So how about that April bid pack. After all of those “atta boys” and kudos over the past year dealing with COVID and making things happen. This is how the company treats us.
Egg on your face bro.
Egg on your face bro.
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