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Old 04-26-2018, 03:45 PM   #21  
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Like I said I've been here 3 years hired into the widebody FO position and I can only share my first hand experience ymmv.

My experience couldn't be more different than what Purpletoolbox has stated.

One can easily make north of 250k/yr at 2nd year pay in the right seat of a widebody, fly less than 300 hours in a year gain the top invite only elite status on several airlines with 100's of thousands of FF miles, rarely fly at night, stay in five star hotels, and rarely ever fly more than one leg.

I'm not on the 777 and don't really care to be on it. The 11 has the best bonus level flying in the System period full stop. Anybody who wants to have a debate about it take a look at the schedules of those who know guys who know and I'll be happy to engage. As a matter of fact I've not seen much else anywhere else that can touch it.

Its all about perspective. My perspective is from a guy who's been here a short time but has great seniority in my seat.

There are several bases where reserve goes senior and VTOs are the most junior.

I have colleagues that are 777 FOs based in MEM on reserve and they can go months without flying. They live in the base and it would take a stick of dynamite to get them out of there. Living in base makes all that complaining about reserve a moot issue.

Where purpletoolbox and I are completely aligned is the contract, work rules, and the union. We have one of the most broken self serving and divided pilot workforces I have ever seen anywhere and it is the root causality of the weaknesses in the contracts. I'm optimistic that this will change with the addition of a large dose of new blood who understand that all of our interests are aligned and we should seek positive outcomes for everyone.

He's also right that the union doesn't provide any support in navigating or understanding the system. It is something that should certainly change especially with the flood of newhires.

As well substitution is an just asinine. Rube Goldberg couldn't have designed a more ridiculous flow chart to decide if what to do if a trip cancels


All that said we should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

If money is your motivation LIVE IN MEMPHIS.
If having the best scheduling options is important LIVE IN MEMPHIS. If upgrading early is important LIVE IN MEMPHIS.

Living in your base makes this an entirely different job. An arguably much much better job.

The pay rates are what they are, but there's lots of soft money opportunities to mine! If you are willing to educate yourself and exploit them.

Every company has things to complain about, but I have zero regrets about this being my 1st choice.
No offense, but I’d like to see the math on how you come up with $250k. That’s well north of 1200CHs for the year at 2nd year WB FO pay even if you include the B plan and some per diem....while only blocking 300 hours? How many days worked to get there?

Show me please.
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Old 04-26-2018, 04:10 PM   #22  
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If FedEx isn't good then why are pilots (Let's say average 2 years or less company time) from the Big 3 + SWA coming to FedEx?
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No offense, but I’d like to see the math on how you come up with $250k. That’s well north of 1200CHs for the year at 2nd year WB FO pay even if you include the B plan and some per diem....while only blocking 300 hours? How many days worked to get there?

Show me please.
It may seem crazy but
Pilot BLG 170K
Pilot Vol 55K
Pilot Intl 6.5k
Per Diem 9.5k
Training and OTR 10K

That's $251K no B-fund Added

Didn't fly at all for one month (negative BLG)

As for the Block time. It makes sense where you adopt a strategy of emphasizing trips with high trip rig values and chopping of layovers on Itn'l DHs.

What's really amazing is you can do it without filling your sked with BLUE lines.

This isn't a humble brag, but it shows what is possible and there are plenty of guys here that do this waaay better than me.
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It may seem crazy but
Pilot BLG 170K
Pilot Vol 55K
Pilot Intl 6.5k
Per Diem 9.5k
Training and OTR 10K

That's $251K no B-fund Added

Didn't fly at all for one month (negative BLG)

As for the Block time. It makes sense where you adopt a strategy of emphasizing trips with high trip rig values and chopping of layovers on Itn'l DHs.

What's really amazing is you can do it without filling your sked with BLUE lines.

This isn't a humble brag, but it shows what is possible and there are plenty of guys here that do this waaay better than me.
Man, Iíve got some learnin to do. Good on ya!
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But being junior at Purple sucks worse*.

UA

*as compared to the other legacy and career type airlines. Much mo better than any regional out there.
Agree 100%!!!
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Man, Iíve got some learnin to do. Good on ya!
Brother let me tell ya some of the work I've seen these hardcore guys put into this game would blow your mind and their paychecks should come in a Brinks truck.
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I can't disagree with a lot of what he pointed out except for on the 777. Pretty much rocks to be able to get your high 5 while sitting reserve and only flying 100 hours a year. But what do I know. I couldn't afford the pay cut to go to the 757 Captain seat and they work way too much.
I am not calling you a liar, but could you show me using the highest paying FO scale how that math works out -- sitting reserves and only flying 100 hours and getting high fives? You need to average 120 CH a month to do that on the highest scale. While sitting reserves and 100 hours a year? Seems fishy.

I am on the 777 and I am trying to fly as much as possible and there's no way I'm going to have a high five. I am not as senior as you. Are you maxed out on the FO scale?

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My experience couldn't be more different than what Purpletoolbox has stated.

I'm not on the 777
Yes, you're right. You haven't been excessed, and you're not on the 777. The other wide bodies have typical hub turn flying mixed in with international so their schedules and scheduling flexibility and ability to get draft and extra work are very different than the 777.

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If FedEx isn't good then why are pilots (Let's say average 2 years or less company time) from the Big 3 + SWA coming to FedEx?
My post wasn't about what airline is the best. My post was about someone asking about FedEx and some of his/her questions struck a point of contention with me. People need to be told the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Did you know the company held focus groups comprised of junior and mid-senior pilots, asking them how FedEx could improve the quality of pilots applying to FedEx? One of my FOs was part of the focus groups. I find it interesting that the company is doing this. Are they having problems finding top quality recruits now? I know that EVERYBODY in my reserve unit ... EVERYONE wants to work for Delta and/or is working for Delta besides me. FedEx is like a four letter dirty word now in some units.

We need to be honest with people who are looking to come to FedEx. Not to be rude, but if you haven't worked at other airlines, you just don't know what you don't know. That may or may not be you.

People online here talk like the feces doesn't stink here, but there's plenty of it that does. And I've only scratched the surface.

Would I want to be back at my old airline flying multiple legs a day? Honestly, probably no. I have no regrets coming here but I cringe when I hear people junior to me on the same piece of equipment telling me they're having high fives when I'm not even close. How can that be? What huge piece of contract language am I missing?

Look at a 10-year FO. If you use the industry standard of 1000 CH a year X pay rate of $200.48, that works out to a rounded $200,000. Where's the other $60,000 coming from? And doing that while sitting reserve? I have to throw a flag on that play. What am I missing? I am willing to listen and learn.

BUT ANOTHER BIG WORK RULE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YOUR QOL HERE AT FEDEX THAT NEW HIRES FROM OTHER AIRLINES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ..

FedEx DOES NOT want you commuting directly into long haul flights. Meaning, you need to come in the night or day before your long hault flight checks in and have "crew rest." I put the quotes around crew rest because those words are not in the CBA. Unlike the other major airlines where 95% of the pilots domiciled in the NYC bases and others commute directly into a long haul flights, FedEx prohibits you from using FedEx aircraft jumpseats for jumpseating to the AOC and then immediately signing in for a long haul flight.

Worse, the company has retaliated against those who have done this. They went after a 777 new hire who did it and also removed a senior 777 FO from his flight because he was on the same jumpseat jet as the new hire. A two for one. The new hire ended up quitting FedEx. The union tap danced and was able to secure general makeup for the senior FO who was removed from the trip. Precedence was set and FedEx doesn't allow this. When you violate this provision in the CBA, and many do, you are hanging it out there.

However, if you legally jumpseated into a trip and were under the 13 hour duty day provision, SHOULD your operational flight be operationally delayed and you call the schedulers crying fatigue, the company will be quick to tell you that jumpseating does not count against your duty day and that you should be well rested. They want it both ways. Either jumpseating directly into work counts against your duty day, or it doesn't. FARs say it doesn't. But once again our CBA has some stupid language in it which allows pilots to hang themselves and gives the company ammunition to discipline you.

Another small fine print those coming here need to be aware of.
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Agree 100%!!!
I wondering are you guys talking about today? Or are we talking 5-10-20 years ago?
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FedEx Reserve-
do any of the Pax airlines have a 60 Second late money back guarantee?

"We offer a money-back guarantee for every U.S. shipment. You may request a refund or credit of your shipping charges if we miss our published (or quoted, as in the case of FedEx SameDayģ) delivery time by even 60 seconds.

This guarantee applies to all U.S. shipments, commercial and residential, to all 50 states." (There are Exceptions, but that's for system wide events....IOW-not the well there's Weather SOMEWHERE in the US and that's why we cancelled your flight so-no soup for you games the Pax carriers seem to play)

Substitution-it's easy. Do nothing. FedEx has up until 4 hours after your scheduled show to find a trip or you go home with pay. If you're a 777 guy with a 2 week pairing, then you get 3 days off and then you're on call between 1000-1600 with an 8 hour call out window. Did anyone mention odds are pretty slim of a 777 trip being available, you know, to fly Extra at straight time.

OR, You can tell Scheduling to kiss off with no ramifications and they drop the trip and give you the option to Makeup that cancelled trip at 125% of Pay.

OR, if Scheduling needs your Trip to Show or Return late...they might offer you a Reassignment Trip (Pay code RAT) and you get the Highest of the Original Trip guarantee or RAT trip guarantee at 125%
Did anyone Mention that you Don't have to accept the RAT trip? YOU can tell Scheduling to kiss of with no consequences other than remaining eligible for Substitution

So, Scheduling Offers you a Substitution Trip...did anyone Mention that you can tell Scheduling to kiss off? Consequence is that trip pay drops into your regular makeup bank.
But I'd rather do that than fly a 4 leg AM out and back to Memphis.

Aircraft Pay. Only 2 it's true. 757 mostly fly's into the Greats and Grands...typically carrying 15-25k of Cargo
Airbus, 76, MD11, tend to carry a bit more than that

https://www.fedex.com/en-us/service-...guarantee.html
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Substitution-it's easy. Do nothing. FedEx has up until 4 hours after your scheduled show to find a trip or you go home with pay. If you're a 777 guy with a 2 week pairing, then you get 3 days off and then you're on call between 1000-1600 with an 8 hour call out window. Did anyone mention odds are pretty slim of a 777 trip being available, you know, to fly Extra at straight time.

OR, You can tell Scheduling to kiss off with no ramifications and they drop the trip and give you the option to Makeup that cancelled trip at 125% of Pay.

OR, if Scheduling needs your Trip to Show or Return late...they might offer you a Reassignment Trip (Pay code RAT) and you get the Highest of the Original Trip guarantee or RAT trip guarantee at 125%
Did anyone Mention that you Don't have to accept the RAT trip? YOU can tell Scheduling to kiss of with no consequences other than remaining eligible for Substitution

So, Scheduling Offers you a Substitution Trip...did anyone Mention that you can tell Scheduling to kiss off? Consequence is that trip pay drops into your regular makeup bank.
But I'd rather do that than fly a 4 leg AM out and back to Memphis.
Simple is relative apparently . I'm more a George Foreman Grill kind-o-guy. Set it and forget it!

Simple=Trip cancels you go home you get paid. No calls, no choices, or decisions.

Not picking a fit just a little ribbing
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