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PW305 04-26-2018 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by kronan (Post 258097)
OR, You can tell Scheduling to kiss off with no ramifications and they drop the trip and give you the option to Makeup that cancelled trip at 125%

You have to admit, sub is ridiculous. They cancel a trip on you and you’re happy you can make it up at 125% later? Should be paid trip guarantee and go home...

CapnRC 04-26-2018 05:52 PM

This has definitely been interesting reading.

Sounds like reserve is not great but how long would you normally be on reserve out of MEM or IND? I'm sure it varies by fleet too?

Thank you.

busdriver12 04-26-2018 06:26 PM


BUT ANOTHER BIG WORK RULE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YOUR QOL HERE AT FEDEX THAT NEW HIRES FROM OTHER AIRLINES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ..

FedEx DOES NOT want you commuting directly into long haul flights. Meaning, you need to come in the night or day before your long hault flight checks in and have "crew rest." I put the quotes around crew rest because those words are not in the CBA. Unlike the other major airlines where 95% of the pilots domiciled in the NYC bases and others commute directly into a long haul flights, FedEx prohibits you from using FedEx aircraft jumpseats for jumpseating to the AOC and then immediately signing in for a long haul flight.
Well, I wonder why. Maybe because commuting into a long haul flight ain't so smart, and it's fatiguing? Think we're trying to work on our safety record here.

A lot of your other complaints are valid and things that we need to work on, however, they aren't the end of the world and the sky isn't falling. Many of them don't even affect the majority of people more than once in a blue moon, like substitution.

But I don't think I'd trade for any of Delta's contract, except for profit sharing. I'll keep my vacation, ability to drop anything I want and take off a few months if I'd like to. I'll also keep my pension (God forbid the union give it away), and reserve was a pretty good deal when I was living in Memphis, though I complained bitterly the two days a month I got called out. I'll keep my first class deadheading, my Delta Diamond status and free club privileges. I'll also keep my long layovers and company paid deadheads to work instead of jumpseating.

You go ahead and complain bitterly about every possible thing, but the rest of us are busy trip trading with the computer....

Flying Boxes 04-26-2018 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 2580970)
I wondering are you guys talking about today? Or are we talking 5-10-20 years ago?

Did too many years of reserve. YES YEARS of reserve! Had a few excesses as well. Been here more than 10 years, & survived 4A2B. I think that has a lot to do with 75 Captain going junior. Too many lower mid level seniority pilots don’t want to do that again, including me.

Doesn’t matter when really , being “more” senior is always better no matter when you’re hired! There is only one pilot not worried about seniority 🤣. And reserve rules have not changed much over last 15 years or more.

Raptor 04-26-2018 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 258096)

BUT ANOTHER BIG WORK RULE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YOUR QOL HERE AT FEDEX THAT NEW HIRES FROM OTHER AIRLINES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ..

FedEx DOES NOT want you commuting directly into long haul flights. Meaning, you need to come in the night or day before your long hault flight checks in and have "crew rest." I put the quotes around crew rest because those words are not in the CBA. Unlike the other major airlines where 95% of the pilots domiciled in the NYC bases and others commute directly into a long haul flights, FedEx prohibits you from using FedEx aircraft jumpseats for jumpseating to the AOC and then immediately signing in for a long haul flight.

Worse, the company has retaliated against those who have done this. They went after a 777 new hire who did it and also removed a senior 777 FO from his flight because he was on the same jumpseat jet as the new hire. A two for one. The new hire ended up quitting FedEx. The union tap danced and was able to secure general makeup for the senior FO who was removed from the trip. Precedence was set and FedEx doesn't allow this. When you violate this provision in the CBA, and many do, you are hanging it out there.

However, if you legally jumpseated into a trip and were under the 13 hour duty day provision, SHOULD your operational flight be operationally delayed and you call the schedulers crying fatigue, the company will be quick to tell you that jumpseating does not count against your duty day and that you should be well rested. They want it both ways. Either jumpseating directly into work counts against your duty day, or it doesn't. FARs say it doesn't. But once again our CBA has some stupid language in it which allows pilots to hang themselves and gives the company ammunition to discipline you.

Another small fine print those coming here need to be aware of.

There’s more to the story of the new hire being removed from the trip after jumpseating in. This story happened years ago and I have not heard of it happening since.

Many pilots confuse this concept in the CBA. There is NO prohibition against jumpseating into ANY trip. None, zero, Nada. What is often thought of as a prohibition is simply that one loses the protection of not getting a disciplinary letter if the combined notional Duty of Jumpseat through trip is too long. It takes quite a few of these letters before you even stand in front of the man.

Jumpseat away—legally. I would argue that many of the commuters who Jumpseat into long international trips are more rested than those who live in Memphis.

manolo1492 04-26-2018 07:23 PM

I’m no expert, but the year I’ve been here has been the easiest reserve I’ve done EVER!! I’ve dropped most of the days I didn’t wanna work (A LOT), and while on reserve hardly fly so I mostly spend time looking for some good food in Memphis or go to the gym and get my swole on. Maybe at the legacy pax airlines you don’t actually have to show up for work when your on reserve?? That’s the only way it could get any easier IMO :)

manolo1492 04-26-2018 07:25 PM

Oh and I jumpseat mosly offline because I’m a rebel :-o

Shaman 04-26-2018 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by CapnRC (Post 2580993)
This has definitely been interesting reading.

Sounds like reserve is not great but how long would you normally be on reserve out of MEM or IND? I'm sure it varies by fleet too?

Thank you.

MEM probably not very long couple months to a year depending on fleet. In IND a long time its a super small base

pinseeker 04-27-2018 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 2580952)
It may seem crazy but
Pilot BLG 170K
Pilot Vol 55K
Pilot Intl 6.5k
Per Diem 9.5k
Training and OTR 10K

That's $251K no B-fund Added

Didn't fly at all for one month (negative BLG)

As for the Block time. It makes sense where you adopt a strategy of emphasizing trips with high trip rig values and chopping of layovers on Itn'l DHs.

What's really amazing is you can do it without filling your sked with BLUE lines.

This isn't a humble brag, but it shows what is possible and there are plenty of guys here that do this waaay better than me.


Yeah, it can be done, but your VLT pay of $55K requires 33-35 days of extra work in the year. Also, $10K in training and OTR? I have no idea what OTR is, but training pay for 5 days a year is less than $4K.

So yeah, work your regular schedule and add an average of 3 days a month onto that and hope that you can get it at draft. Sounds easy.

pinseeker 04-27-2018 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2580968)

BUT ANOTHER BIG WORK RULE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YOUR QOL HERE AT FEDEX THAT NEW HIRES FROM OTHER AIRLINES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ..

FedEx DOES NOT want you commuting directly into long haul flights. Meaning, you need to come in the night or day before your long hault flight checks in and have "crew rest." I put the quotes around crew rest because those words are not in the CBA. Unlike the other major airlines where 95% of the pilots domiciled in the NYC bases and others commute directly into a long haul flights, FedEx prohibits you from using FedEx aircraft jumpseats for jumpseating to the AOC and then immediately signing in for a long haul flight.



I can't find that rule anywhere in the CBA or the FOM. Could you provide the section in the FOM or CBA that states this rule?


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