Fedex Hiring Part II
04-27-2018, 12:27 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by FlyHIGHgoFAST
Honest question...Why do you think that will that never happen?
In my opinion there is too much of the "this is the way it has always been/what are you willing to give up" group who continue to allow the big shiny things to persuade them and leave status quo just that. It is a trend here that guys are happy taking their measly 3% and letting the work rules go down the tube. A majority of our work rules, or lack thereof, show that. Sub, reserve, duty day length during the critical period etc etc etc.... Here is a novel concept, lets negotiate pay raises AND work rule improvements! ::gasp::
In my opinion there is too much of the "this is the way it has always been/what are you willing to give up" group who continue to allow the big shiny things to persuade them and leave status quo just that. It is a trend here that guys are happy taking their measly 3% and letting the work rules go down the tube. A majority of our work rules, or lack thereof, show that. Sub, reserve, duty day length during the critical period etc etc etc.... Here is a novel concept, lets negotiate pay raises AND work rule improvements! ::gasp::
04-27-2018, 12:34 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Shaman
I'm not trying to say this is what's typical I'm saying its what's possible. With the overall point being that there's some remarkable opportunities at FEDEX that make this place very unique.
If you've been off the airplane for a while and are really only aware of what's in the bid pack I can totally understand your point of view, but trust me there are guys who haven't been off IOE for two months grabbing these opportunities.
And I know its hard to believe, but it is neither seniority dependent nor bid pack driven. These things are all subject to change, but the current reality is that guys are crushing it. Newhire guys.
To those considering coming to work here understand that this place lends itself very well to finding your niche and leveraging it to the Max. The turnover here is high which means the opportunities to move up and settle in are there. It ain't perfect, but I'll testify!!
If you've been off the airplane for a while and are really only aware of what's in the bid pack I can totally understand your point of view, but trust me there are guys who haven't been off IOE for two months grabbing these opportunities.
And I know its hard to believe, but it is neither seniority dependent nor bid pack driven. These things are all subject to change, but the current reality is that guys are crushing it. Newhire guys.
To those considering coming to work here understand that this place lends itself very well to finding your niche and leveraging it to the Max. The turnover here is high which means the opportunities to move up and settle in are there. It ain't perfect, but I'll testify!!
04-27-2018, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by flyhighgofast
honest question...why do you think that will that never happen?
In my opinion there is too much of the "this is the way it has always been/what are you willing to give up" group who continue to allow the big shiny things to persuade them and leave status quo just that. It is a trend here that guys are happy taking their measly 3% and letting the work rules go down the tube. A majority of our work rules, or lack thereof, show that. Sub, reserve, duty day length during the critical period etc etc etc.... Here is a novel concept, lets negotiate pay raises and work rule improvements! ::gasp::
In my opinion there is too much of the "this is the way it has always been/what are you willing to give up" group who continue to allow the big shiny things to persuade them and leave status quo just that. It is a trend here that guys are happy taking their measly 3% and letting the work rules go down the tube. A majority of our work rules, or lack thereof, show that. Sub, reserve, duty day length during the critical period etc etc etc.... Here is a novel concept, lets negotiate pay raises and work rule improvements! ::gasp::
This.
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04-27-2018, 03:37 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by FlyHIGHgoFAST
Honest question...Why do you think that will that never happen?
In my opinion there is too much of the "this is the way it has always been/what are you willing to give up" group who continue to allow the big shiny things to persuade them and leave status quo just that. It is a trend here that guys are happy taking their measly 3% and letting the work rules go down the tube. A majority of our work rules, or lack thereof, show that. Sub, reserve, duty day length during the critical period etc etc etc.... Here is a novel concept, lets negotiate pay raises AND work rule improvements! ::gasp::
In my opinion there is too much of the "this is the way it has always been/what are you willing to give up" group who continue to allow the big shiny things to persuade them and leave status quo just that. It is a trend here that guys are happy taking their measly 3% and letting the work rules go down the tube. A majority of our work rules, or lack thereof, show that. Sub, reserve, duty day length during the critical period etc etc etc.... Here is a novel concept, lets negotiate pay raises AND work rule improvements! ::gasp::
04-27-2018, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 123456789
Because we can’t make the union care enough to negotiate it. Just like the reserve rules I believe they just dont give it a thought. I agree with the rest of your point as well especially about that’s the way we’ve always done it.
04-27-2018, 04:07 PM
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I’d love to hear the positive aspects of flying for FedEx. What do you guys/gals like about flying for FedEx? I know it’s a very coveted job and there are many great facets to it. What do us looking in from the outside not know?
Many thanks.
Many thanks.
04-27-2018, 08:59 PM
#57
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Originally Posted by Fdxlag2
I hate Sub. That said you want the guys who couldn’t negotiate Flat Bed Seats without giving the company everything they want to negotiate trip cancelation policy? We would end up fly 3 leg night hub turns at 75% of normal pay when ever a trip was canceled.
04-27-2018, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lpcunity
I’d love to hear the positive aspects of flying for FedEx. What do you guys/gals like about flying for FedEx? I know it’s a very coveted job and there are many great facets to it. What do us looking in from the outside not know?
Many thanks.
Many thanks.
04-28-2018, 06:00 AM
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^^What ihateAMR said.
In addition, schedule flexibility is such that you can build your schedule around your life, as opposed to planning your life around your schedule, for the most part. You can drop your entire month of flying or reserve days (manning permitted, and it often is), or give it away....and pick up trips open in the computer that you like. Or not. You can also work constantly if you prefer, your choice. I worked a very light schedule when my kids were at home, now I often work extra.
I'd be willing to gamble that we have more pilots earning 400, 500, 600K plus than any other airline (though they definitely earn it by working more). We have so many widebodies that if you don't go to one pretty quickly, it's by your own choice.
We aren't getting on the news with pax filming us because the gate agent took them off the flight because their Spanx were showing. This job is mission oriented, it's about flying and getting the freight there. Pretty cool to have a flying job that focuses on aviation, what a concept.
And yes, we are prima donnas that expect to be treated well, which works the best with this group of people, who will do anything to get the job done. Most of us like and appreciate our company.
If I had to right now, I'd take the bottom seniority number at FedEx than the #1 seniority number at any other airline, because of these reasons.
In addition, schedule flexibility is such that you can build your schedule around your life, as opposed to planning your life around your schedule, for the most part. You can drop your entire month of flying or reserve days (manning permitted, and it often is), or give it away....and pick up trips open in the computer that you like. Or not. You can also work constantly if you prefer, your choice. I worked a very light schedule when my kids were at home, now I often work extra.
I'd be willing to gamble that we have more pilots earning 400, 500, 600K plus than any other airline (though they definitely earn it by working more). We have so many widebodies that if you don't go to one pretty quickly, it's by your own choice.
We aren't getting on the news with pax filming us because the gate agent took them off the flight because their Spanx were showing. This job is mission oriented, it's about flying and getting the freight there. Pretty cool to have a flying job that focuses on aviation, what a concept.
And yes, we are prima donnas that expect to be treated well, which works the best with this group of people, who will do anything to get the job done. Most of us like and appreciate our company.If I had to right now, I'd take the bottom seniority number at FedEx than the #1 seniority number at any other airline, because of these reasons.
04-28-2018, 12:43 PM
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I can only add to what Busdriver and others have said. We have a pretty top heavy crewforce meaning retirements, retirements, retirements. So as has been stated before by 2022 there will be a turnover of nearly half the current crewforce. Can you say that about any other carrier pax or frieght?
Another example, 06-07 hires have less than 500 numbers between them and those hired in 2015. In the last two years we've hired more than twice that number.
Did I mention we don't have to wear a hat?!
Commuting is easy not simply because of what has been stated here before, but also because of the nature of our flying and the associated departure times. Consider the sheer number of cascading permutations for positioning flights you can make when your scheduled departure for your first leg is 3am.
We have some great international flying with some really great layovers and you don't have to be super senior to get them. Sydney Singapore London Paris Cologne Tokyo Soeul and more are all in reach of newhires here.
If you choose to live in Memphis, welcome to the lowest cost housing market of any large metro in the country. Plenty of folks deride the place, but your purchasing power goes a country mile here. Some people hate it, but collierville and germantown look like every other suburb in Denver, Atlanta, or anywhere else in America. There's the same strip malls, chain restaurants, big box stores, and good public schools. There's also a passable NBA team here and a great fun minor league baseball team and stadium.
The aircraft are well maintained even the really old ones.
We have bases abroad if you want to have an adventure and they can be lucrative opportunities for those who can leverage them. Again something not offered by Delta, AMR, UAL or SWA.
We still have a defined benefit plan that pays 130k/yr if you can max it out (which isn't difficult to do). It could/should be allowed to grow with inflation, but $10k/ month is real money now and it was real money 15years ago and it will be real money 15 years from now and there's no management or risk involved.
Our international DH's are friggin awesome! Who needs buddy passes when you get to keep your FF miles? I personally leverage the ever living heck out of this. It can literally be worth 10's of thousand or hundreds of thousand of dollar per year and you get to earn them by dragging around the world in First Class on Delta, UAL, or AMR. I'll take 1A on DeltaOne vs a cockpit seat on the sameflight everyday and twice on sunday.
Working for Fedex or UPS means you're a part of an integrated logistics network. With few competitors and extremely high barriers to entry. Anybody that wants to compete with this Duopoly is gonna need a ton of cash, a lot of time, and tremendously patient investors. Anybody can start a passenger airline and there are new ones starting all the time. Just look at the vociferous complaints re the 3 Mid-east carriers and Upstarts like Norwegian. Those are real threats to the big 3 US carriers market share and expansion.
And the best benefit. There's so much variety here. Come here find your niche and be happy.
The salaries and benefits are always going to be competitive even with our crewforce's everyman for himself mentality and a union with questionable negotiating methods, because market forces are a real factor right now. There's a limited supply of pilots and recruiting the most desirable candidates will require the company to pay competitive wages even if dudes here are unwilling to press the issue.
That's my $.02 YMMV (your mileage may vary), but don't let anyone ever make you believe this isn't a job worth having
Another example, 06-07 hires have less than 500 numbers between them and those hired in 2015. In the last two years we've hired more than twice that number.
Did I mention we don't have to wear a hat?!
Commuting is easy not simply because of what has been stated here before, but also because of the nature of our flying and the associated departure times. Consider the sheer number of cascading permutations for positioning flights you can make when your scheduled departure for your first leg is 3am.
We have some great international flying with some really great layovers and you don't have to be super senior to get them. Sydney Singapore London Paris Cologne Tokyo Soeul and more are all in reach of newhires here.
If you choose to live in Memphis, welcome to the lowest cost housing market of any large metro in the country. Plenty of folks deride the place, but your purchasing power goes a country mile here. Some people hate it, but collierville and germantown look like every other suburb in Denver, Atlanta, or anywhere else in America. There's the same strip malls, chain restaurants, big box stores, and good public schools. There's also a passable NBA team here and a great fun minor league baseball team and stadium.
The aircraft are well maintained even the really old ones.
We have bases abroad if you want to have an adventure and they can be lucrative opportunities for those who can leverage them. Again something not offered by Delta, AMR, UAL or SWA.
We still have a defined benefit plan that pays 130k/yr if you can max it out (which isn't difficult to do). It could/should be allowed to grow with inflation, but $10k/ month is real money now and it was real money 15years ago and it will be real money 15 years from now and there's no management or risk involved.
Our international DH's are friggin awesome! Who needs buddy passes when you get to keep your FF miles? I personally leverage the ever living heck out of this. It can literally be worth 10's of thousand or hundreds of thousand of dollar per year and you get to earn them by dragging around the world in First Class on Delta, UAL, or AMR. I'll take 1A on DeltaOne vs a cockpit seat on the sameflight everyday and twice on sunday.
Working for Fedex or UPS means you're a part of an integrated logistics network. With few competitors and extremely high barriers to entry. Anybody that wants to compete with this Duopoly is gonna need a ton of cash, a lot of time, and tremendously patient investors. Anybody can start a passenger airline and there are new ones starting all the time. Just look at the vociferous complaints re the 3 Mid-east carriers and Upstarts like Norwegian. Those are real threats to the big 3 US carriers market share and expansion.
And the best benefit. There's so much variety here. Come here find your niche and be happy.
The salaries and benefits are always going to be competitive even with our crewforce's everyman for himself mentality and a union with questionable negotiating methods, because market forces are a real factor right now. There's a limited supply of pilots and recruiting the most desirable candidates will require the company to pay competitive wages even if dudes here are unwilling to press the issue.
That's my $.02 YMMV (your mileage may vary), but don't let anyone ever make you believe this isn't a job worth having
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