Originally Posted by FXLAX

PS. To answer your first question, my previous airline had a commuter clause in the contract that allowed us to commute with just one flight. But it only allowed three failed commutes in the last 12 months. If you gave yourself one backup, you can have unlimited failed commutes. Of course, you don’t get paid if you dont make your trip. Here is the language:

A pilot commuting by air must choose one of the following:
(1) One (1) flight to the airport at which his assignment originates with a seat available for sale to the public or an available jumpseat not more than thirty-six (36) hours but not less than twenty-four (24) hours in advance of the scheduled departure time for the flight he expects to use to commute to work (his “commuting flight”).

(2) Two (2) flights to the airport at which his assignment originates witha seat available for sale to the public or an available jumpseat within thirty-six (36) hours in advance of the scheduled departure time for the flight he expects to use to commute to work (his “commuting flight”). The commuting flight must be scheduled to arrive at least fifteen (15)minutes before his assigned report time or beginning of his reserve on-call period. However, if customs clearance is required the flight must be scheduled to arrive at least sixty (60) minutes before the pilot’s assigned report time or beginning of his reserve on-call period.

Originally Posted by busdriver12

This would be a terrible deal for us. If we only had one flight we could get on (and that's the case with the majority of commuters here), we would have to leave 24-36 hours prior? And for those people lucky enough to have two possible jumpseats, good luck booking the first one, because everyone would be trying for it. Not a better deal at all.

Originally Posted by FXLAX

No, it says there needs to be a seat available for sale 36-24 hours prior or the Jumpseat at any time. Not that you have to commute that far in advance. Or you could just give yourself 2 flights. I was just answering the question of which airline has a policy of only one flight.

I’m just saying that whatever the best practice is here, why can’t that be negotiators into actual contractual language.

Originally Posted by Shaman

Did I mention we don't have to wear a hat?!

Originally Posted by Fdxlag2

So what happened at brand X when you didn’t make your trip? Keep the pay or lose the pay? Because in essence the only difference between protected or unprotected is your hours either go into make up or they don’t.

Originally Posted by FXLAX

You lose the pay but missing the trip could never count against you (disciplinary wise) if you followed the contractual language. There was no concept of a make up bank. But there wasn’t a limit on picking up any trip in open time either other than FARs.

Originally Posted by StarClipper

That 13:30 is ridiculous

Originally Posted by FXLAX

No, it says there needs to be a seat available for sale 36-24 hours prior or the Jumpseat at any time. Not that you have to commute that far in advance. Or you could just give yourself 2 flights. I was just answering the question of which airline has a policy of only one flight.

I’m just saying that whatever the best practice is here, why can’t that be negotiators into actual contractual language.

Originally Posted by Dakota

.........and don't ever trust a Captain that wears one and doesn't have to.


Or a guy that blocks his calendar.

Sorry, this has NOTHING to do with the OP.