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howardhughes8 04-26-2018 04:28 AM

Fedex Hiring Part II
 
From the original thread, it had gotten old:

2018 is certainly going to be an interesting year for pilot hiring. With many big airlines increasing their needs, 420 jobs at FDX is simply amazing. That means for three years, FDX will have hired 30% of its pilot workforce. Crazy.
I was thinking the same thing and saw kinda the same numbers. On track to hire around 30% of its list, what could a new hire expect fo seniority progression with those numbers for a 30 yr career?

So please chime in:

1) How many were hired in 2015 (first year of ramped up hiring), 2016, 2017?

2) Is Fedex expected to hire 30-40 month indefinitely? No end in sight?

3) Career progression? What has typically been early retirements on top of mandatory?

4) I hear reserve sucks, but with such movement shouldn’t be long to hold at least a bottom line?

5) System bids very seldom, so movement within fleets almost non existent?

6) People generally happy?

Thank you.

Boats and Hos 04-26-2018 04:53 AM

Crickets
 
I know a person who just got hired and knew no-one. I have four internals and have clicked "YES" to overseas. I flew one their fleet types and I have heard Nadda. Had my app reviewed for errors and really spent time making it tidy but again NADDA. So, I am not sure if they have even seen my app or what.

In the next two years, minus another major event, the hiring will be increasing and you may just be able to choose whom exactly you want to work for. I think a couple of airlines might find it hard to get the quality of people they want or need. FedEx was picky for so long that it may come back to haunt them.

Shaman 04-26-2018 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howardhughes8 (Post 2580467)
From the original thread, it had gotten old:

2018 is certainly going to be an interesting year for pilot hiring. With many big airlines increasing their needs, 420 jobs at FDX is simply amazing. That means for three years, FDX will have hired 30% of its pilot workforce. Crazy.
I was thinking the same thing and saw kinda the same numbers. On track to hire around 30% of its list, what could a new hire expect fo seniority progression with those numbers for a 30 yr career?

So please chime in:

1) How many were hired in 2015 (first year of ramped up hiring), 2016, 2017?

2) Is Fedex expected to hire 30-40 month indefinitely? No end in sight?

3) Career progression? What has typically been early retirements on top of mandatory?

4) I hear reserve sucks, but with such movement shouldn’t be long to hold at least a bottom line?

5) System bids very seldom, so movement within fleets almost non existent?

6) People generally happy?

Thank you.

1. I was hired in early summer of 2015 and there are 1020 people junior to me and only about 50 or so hired prior to me that year.

2. Fedex NEEDS to hire to combat the rate of attrition due to mandatory retirements (which will accelerate in 2020) voluntary retirements and medical departures. Additionally business is good in the goods transportation industry up 11.8% YOY meaning fleet plans requiring more bodies.

3 Career Progression? Many have been hired directly into a widebody and we have guys going to the left seat of the 757 after being here 15 months. That's pretty much unprecedented even in the best prior times.

4 Reserve doesn't suck......unless you're a commuter. Our reserve call out policy is pretty inflexible, but depending on the seat and manning reserves don't get used much. So if you commute that means lots of potential time in a crashpad. Of course if you live in base you can bid reserve and only work a couple of days a month. Never forget it pays the same regardless if you turn a wheel or not. And you can make extra $$$ picking up flying on the actual days off.

5 Systems bids are infrequent, but there's plenty of movement. Never fear ceteris paribus you'll be able to find what ever you want.

6. I left a great gig to come hear and I couldn't be happier

FlyingOkra 04-26-2018 06:09 AM

50% turnover of the Seniority List in 7-8 years.

Guys upgrading in 2-3 years.

New Hire 75 FO’s achieving top 25-40% in plane within a year and a half.

Reserves rarely fly.

Everyone I know is thrilled to be here.

ClutchCargo 04-26-2018 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2580477)
I know a person who just got hired and knew no-one. I have four internals and have clicked "YES" to overseas. I flew one their fleet types and I have heard Nadda. Had my app reviewed for errors and really spent time making it tidy but again NADDA. So, I am not sure if they have even seen my app or what.

In the next two years, minus another major event, the hiring will be increasing and you may just be able to choose whom exactly you want to work for. I think a couple of airlines might find it hard to get the quality of people they want or need. FedEx was picky for so long that it may come back to haunt them.

Perhaps having a screen name of "Boats and Hos" is a factor?

Boats and Hos 04-26-2018 07:33 AM

Well
 
It's a song from a movie Boats and Hos. Go rent Stepbrothers and you'll see. This is also an anonymous forum for the most part so I don't think that unless we are all going to start using real names that it really matters. Thanks though.

DiamondZ 04-26-2018 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2580586)
This is also an anonymous forum for the most part so I don't think that unless we are all going to start using real names that it really matters.

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PurpleToolBox 04-26-2018 12:16 PM

Let's be honest about FedEx.

FedEx haa the WORST reserve system in the airline industry. If you are junior, it really really sucks. Everyday of reserve is a "short call" day which means you must be in Memphis (or your base). And if you are senior enough to get the one or two R24 lines, they'll probably call you into Memphis to sit hotel standby. Speaking of, FDX has hotel and airport standbys. Meaning, if you're not already in Memphis or base, they'll put you in hotels or make you sit at the airport. I think most of the majors got rid of that crap a long time ago. Somehow those airlines flying thousands of flights a day manage with their much better reserve system, but not FDX. For example, there's only a handful of 777 departures a day, but they'll have 30 people sitting short calls in Memphis. Why? And don't let a bunch of FDX pilots who were military wonders who haven't worked anywhere else tell you how great it is because they don't know what they don't know. Many regional pilots have better reserve systems/scheduling systems. And make no mistake, the senior bubbas aren't ever going to fix it because, "what will we have to give up to fix it? You choose to be junior."

The pay scales are also screwed up. FDX has neither the ALPA standard higher pay rates for the increased size of the airplane, or single pay rates like its main competitor UPS. Instead you have narrow body pay for 757 and wide body pay for everything else. So if you ever get stuck on or bid to the 757, just know that the industry has left you behind and you're either on the worst 757 pay scale as compared to the majors, or tied for it. BUT, you're most likely flying night hub turns which after a week of those is a real kick in the pants.

But but but but, some people will be quick to say that the 777 has some bennies built into the contact for the long flights over 8 and 12 hours. Yes, it does. However, it isn't enough to significantly change your W2 at the end of the year. Since the 777 has extremely little extra flying, you fly what you can hold, basic bid line guarantee, and there's little chances of working extra and making extra. Senior or hard working 757FOs can earn a lot more than the average 777FO. Yes, it's true.

Wait a second, you just said 757 pay scales suck. Yes, they do. And under certain ideal conditions and circumstances, some senior 757FOs can make bank but its going to fail your marriage or take a couple years off the end of your life doing it. Choose wisely.

There are little gotchas in the contract. For example, if you are removed from a trip, unlike the rest of the airline industry where you have guarantee pay and you go home, at FDX you get to play the substitution game. Seriously, you have to see this disaster of a schematic chart to figure out how/what you should do if you fall into substitution hell. If you look at that ridiculous chart, you'll see acronyms like RAT ... good luck ever finding that defined. (Shhhhh... it stands for reassignment trip). You have to read the contact and read between the lines to figure out that RAT is never defined anywhere.

Which comes to my next point. The union is damn near broken. As a new hire, unlike other unions out there, the union WILL NOT teach you anything about the contract. Contract education is nonexistent. This leads to problems for new hires because some of the language hasn't been implemented yet -- even after all this time. As a new hire, you utilize the new language not realizing it isn't active yet which can end with you in trouble with the company or in debt to them. The current contract seems like a contract with a band-aids on top of band-aids to fix the problems. However, if you haven't been around for the past two or three contracts, a lot of it doesn't make sense because you don't understand how it got that way.

So, unlike other unions, there are no educational contract videos. There's no powerpoint presentations. Yes, you can call into the main office and ask a contract question, good luck having them actually tell you the correct information. I know I'm on an epic rant here but that's the darn truth! I've had the company tell me better information than the union has. And if you ask someone about the contract, you'll probably get a "Call your sponsor!" response. As if those exist today.:rolleyes:

Bidding for vacancies. FDX has the most complicated vacancy bidding system in the airline industry. We thought we were getting small monthly bids. No. Instead we still have large system bids. After being awarded a position, you then bid monthly on when you want to go to training. This system is overly complicated and means that you really have no idea when you might be going to training.

I can go on and on, but the grass isn't necessarily greener here at FedEx anymore. This isn't your late 90s early 2000s FedEx. The majors are back on their feet, they're earning as much if not more than FedEx. And they have profit sharing, FedEx employees and pilots do not. For example, in 2017, Delta Air Line employees shared $1.1 billion dollars in profit sharing.

Something to think about that they don't tell you at the FedEx meet and greet.

UnusualAttitude 04-26-2018 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2580783)
Let's be honest about FedEx.

FedEx haa the WORST reserve system in the airline industry. If you are junior, it really really sucks. Everyday of reserve is a "short call" day which means you must be in Memphis (or your base). And if you are senior enough to get the one or two R24 lines, they'll probably call you into Memphis to sit hotel standby. Speaking of, FDX has hotel and airport standbys. Meaning, if you're not already in Memphis or base, they'll put you in hotels or make you sit at the airport. I think most of the majors got rid of that crap a long time ago. Somehow those airlines flying thousands of flights a day manage with their much better reserve system, but not FDX. For example, there's only a handful of 777 departures a day, but they'll have 30 people sitting short calls in Memphis. Why? And don't let a bunch of FDX pilots who were military wonders who haven't worked anywhere else tell you how great it is because they don't know what they don't know. Many regional pilots have better reserve systems/scheduling systems. And make no mistake, the senior bubbas aren't ever going to fix it because, "what will we have to give up to fix it? You choose to be junior."

The pay scales are also screwed up. FDX has neither the ALPA standard higher pay rates for the increased size of the airplane, or single pay rates like its main competitor UPS. Instead you have narrow body pay for 757 and wide body pay for everything else. So if you ever get stuck on or bid to the 757, just know that the industry has left you behind and you're either on the worst 757 pay scale as compared to the majors, or tied for it. BUT, you're most likely flying night hub turns which after a week of those is a real kick in the pants.

But but but but, some people will be quick to say that the 777 has some bennies built into the contact for the long flights over 8 and 12 hours. Yes, it does. However, it isn't enough to significantly change your W2 at the end of the year. Since the 777 has extremely little extra flying, you fly what you can hold, basic bid line guarantee, and there's little chances of working extra and making extra. Senior or hard working 757FOs can earn a lot more than the average 777FO. Yes, it's true.

Wait a second, you just said 757 pay scales suck. Yes, they do. And under certain ideal conditions and circumstances, some senior 757FOs can make bank but its going to fail your marriage or take a couple years off the end of your life doing it. Choose wisely.

There are little gotchas in the contract. For example, if you are removed from a trip, unlike the rest of the airline industry where you have guarantee pay and you go home, at FDX you get to play the substitution game. Seriously, you have to see this disaster of a schematic chart to figure out how/what you should do if you fall into substitution hell. If you look at that ridiculous chart, you'll see acronyms like RAT ... good luck ever finding that defined. (Shhhhh... it stands for reassignment trip). You have to read the contact and read between the lines to figure that out as RAT is never defined anywhere.

Which comes to my next point. The union is damn near broken. As a new hire, unlike other unions out there, the union WILL NOT teach you anything about the contract. Contract education is nonexistent. This leads to problems for new hires because some of the language hasn't been implemented yet -- even after all this time. As a new hire, you utilize the new language not realizing it isn't active yet which can end with you in trouble with the company or in debt to them. The current contract seems like a contract with a band-aids on top of band-aids to fix the problems. However, if you haven't been around for the past two or three contracts, a lot of it doesn't make sense because you don't understand how it got that way.

So, unlike other unions, there are no educational contract videos. There's no powerpoint presentations. Yes, you can call into the main office and ask a contract question, good luck having them actually tell you the correct information. I know I'm on an epic rant here but that's the darn truth! I've had the company tell me better information than the union has. And if you ask someone about the contract, you'll probably get a "Call your sponsor!" response. As if those exist today.:rolleyes:

Bidding for vacancies. FDX has the most complicated vacancy bidding system in the airline industry. We thought we were getting small monthly bids. No. Instead we still have large system bids. After being awarded a position, you then bid monthly on when you want to go to training. This system is overly complicated and means that you really have no idea when you might be going to training.

I can go on and on, but the grass isn't necessarily greener here at FedEx anymore. This isn't your late 90s early 2000s FedEx. The majors are back on their feet, they're earning as much if not more than FedEx. And they have profit sharing, FedEx employees and pilots do not. For example, in 2017, Delta Air Line employees shared $1.1 billion dollars in profit sharing.

Something to think about that they don't tell you at the FedEx meet and greet.

Hard to argue with that. Not a thing you said was untrue.

I would mention that our vacation is far superior to the pax carriers and our retirement is better. Otherwise, when it comes to work rules and day to day, we lag far behind.

UA

PurpleToolBox 04-26-2018 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude (Post 2580786)
Hard to argue with that. Not a thing you said was untrue.

I would mention that our vacation is far superior to the pax carriers and our retirement is better. Otherwise, when it comes to work rules and day to day, we lag far behind.

UA

I agree with you. There are plenty of good things here. I just think some of the bad deals should be said. I've flown with some new hires here who seem to have been blindsided by a few things they didn't know before coming here.


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