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howardhughes8 04-26-2018 05:28 AM

Fedex Hiring Part II
 
From the original thread, it had gotten old:

2018 is certainly going to be an interesting year for pilot hiring. With many big airlines increasing their needs, 420 jobs at FDX is simply amazing. That means for three years, FDX will have hired 30% of its pilot workforce. Crazy.
I was thinking the same thing and saw kinda the same numbers. On track to hire around 30% of its list, what could a new hire expect fo seniority progression with those numbers for a 30 yr career?

So please chime in:

1) How many were hired in 2015 (first year of ramped up hiring), 2016, 2017?

2) Is Fedex expected to hire 30-40 month indefinitely? No end in sight?

3) Career progression? What has typically been early retirements on top of mandatory?

4) I hear reserve sucks, but with such movement shouldnít be long to hold at least a bottom line?

5) System bids very seldom, so movement within fleets almost non existent?

6) People generally happy?

Thank you.

Boats and Hos 04-26-2018 05:53 AM

Crickets
 
I know a person who just got hired and knew no-one. I have four internals and have clicked "YES" to overseas. I flew one their fleet types and I have heard Nadda. Had my app reviewed for errors and really spent time making it tidy but again NADDA. So, I am not sure if they have even seen my app or what.

In the next two years, minus another major event, the hiring will be increasing and you may just be able to choose whom exactly you want to work for. I think a couple of airlines might find it hard to get the quality of people they want or need. FedEx was picky for so long that it may come back to haunt them.

Shaman 04-26-2018 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howardhughes8 (Post 2580467)
From the original thread, it had gotten old:

2018 is certainly going to be an interesting year for pilot hiring. With many big airlines increasing their needs, 420 jobs at FDX is simply amazing. That means for three years, FDX will have hired 30% of its pilot workforce. Crazy.
I was thinking the same thing and saw kinda the same numbers. On track to hire around 30% of its list, what could a new hire expect fo seniority progression with those numbers for a 30 yr career?

So please chime in:

1) How many were hired in 2015 (first year of ramped up hiring), 2016, 2017?

2) Is Fedex expected to hire 30-40 month indefinitely? No end in sight?

3) Career progression? What has typically been early retirements on top of mandatory?

4) I hear reserve sucks, but with such movement shouldnít be long to hold at least a bottom line?

5) System bids very seldom, so movement within fleets almost non existent?

6) People generally happy?

Thank you.

1. I was hired in early summer of 2015 and there are 1020 people junior to me and only about 50 or so hired prior to me that year.

2. Fedex NEEDS to hire to combat the rate of attrition due to mandatory retirements (which will accelerate in 2020) voluntary retirements and medical departures. Additionally business is good in the goods transportation industry up 11.8% YOY meaning fleet plans requiring more bodies.

3 Career Progression? Many have been hired directly into a widebody and we have guys going to the left seat of the 757 after being here 15 months. That's pretty much unprecedented even in the best prior times.

4 Reserve doesn't suck......unless you're a commuter. Our reserve call out policy is pretty inflexible, but depending on the seat and manning reserves don't get used much. So if you commute that means lots of potential time in a crashpad. Of course if you live in base you can bid reserve and only work a couple of days a month. Never forget it pays the same regardless if you turn a wheel or not. And you can make extra $$$ picking up flying on the actual days off.

5 Systems bids are infrequent, but there's plenty of movement. Never fear ceteris paribus you'll be able to find what ever you want.

6. I left a great gig to come hear and I couldn't be happier

FlyingOkra 04-26-2018 07:09 AM

50% turnover of the Seniority List in 7-8 years.

Guys upgrading in 2-3 years.

New Hire 75 FOís achieving top 25-40% in plane within a year and a half.

Reserves rarely fly.

Everyone I know is thrilled to be here.

ClutchCargo 04-26-2018 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2580477)
I know a person who just got hired and knew no-one. I have four internals and have clicked "YES" to overseas. I flew one their fleet types and I have heard Nadda. Had my app reviewed for errors and really spent time making it tidy but again NADDA. So, I am not sure if they have even seen my app or what.

In the next two years, minus another major event, the hiring will be increasing and you may just be able to choose whom exactly you want to work for. I think a couple of airlines might find it hard to get the quality of people they want or need. FedEx was picky for so long that it may come back to haunt them.

Perhaps having a screen name of "Boats and Hos" is a factor?

Boats and Hos 04-26-2018 08:33 AM

Well
 
It's a song from a movie Boats and Hos. Go rent Stepbrothers and you'll see. This is also an anonymous forum for the most part so I don't think that unless we are all going to start using real names that it really matters. Thanks though.

DiamondZ 04-26-2018 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2580586)
This is also an anonymous forum for the most part so I don't think that unless we are all going to start using real names that it really matters.

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PurpleToolBox 04-26-2018 01:16 PM

Let's be honest about FedEx.

FedEx haa the WORST reserve system in the airline industry. If you are junior, it really really sucks. Everyday of reserve is a "short call" day which means you must be in Memphis (or your base). And if you are senior enough to get the one or two R24 lines, they'll probably call you into Memphis to sit hotel standby. Speaking of, FDX has hotel and airport standbys. Meaning, if you're not already in Memphis or base, they'll put you in hotels or make you sit at the airport. I think most of the majors got rid of that crap a long time ago. Somehow those airlines flying thousands of flights a day manage with their much better reserve system, but not FDX. For example, there's only a handful of 777 departures a day, but they'll have 30 people sitting short calls in Memphis. Why? And don't let a bunch of FDX pilots who were military wonders who haven't worked anywhere else tell you how great it is because they don't know what they don't know. Many regional pilots have better reserve systems/scheduling systems. And make no mistake, the senior bubbas aren't ever going to fix it because, "what will we have to give up to fix it? You choose to be junior."

The pay scales are also screwed up. FDX has neither the ALPA standard higher pay rates for the increased size of the airplane, or single pay rates like its main competitor UPS. Instead you have narrow body pay for 757 and wide body pay for everything else. So if you ever get stuck on or bid to the 757, just know that the industry has left you behind and you're either on the worst 757 pay scale as compared to the majors, or tied for it. BUT, you're most likely flying night hub turns which after a week of those is a real kick in the pants.

But but but but, some people will be quick to say that the 777 has some bennies built into the contact for the long flights over 8 and 12 hours. Yes, it does. However, it isn't enough to significantly change your W2 at the end of the year. Since the 777 has extremely little extra flying, you fly what you can hold, basic bid line guarantee, and there's little chances of working extra and making extra. Senior or hard working 757FOs can earn a lot more than the average 777FO. Yes, it's true.

Wait a second, you just said 757 pay scales suck. Yes, they do. And under certain ideal conditions and circumstances, some senior 757FOs can make bank but its going to fail your marriage or take a couple years off the end of your life doing it. Choose wisely.

There are little gotchas in the contract. For example, if you are removed from a trip, unlike the rest of the airline industry where you have guarantee pay and you go home, at FDX you get to play the substitution game. Seriously, you have to see this disaster of a schematic chart to figure out how/what you should do if you fall into substitution hell. If you look at that ridiculous chart, you'll see acronyms like RAT ... good luck ever finding that defined. (Shhhhh... it stands for reassignment trip). You have to read the contact and read between the lines to figure out that RAT is never defined anywhere.

Which comes to my next point. The union is damn near broken. As a new hire, unlike other unions out there, the union WILL NOT teach you anything about the contract. Contract education is nonexistent. This leads to problems for new hires because some of the language hasn't been implemented yet -- even after all this time. As a new hire, you utilize the new language not realizing it isn't active yet which can end with you in trouble with the company or in debt to them. The current contract seems like a contract with a band-aids on top of band-aids to fix the problems. However, if you haven't been around for the past two or three contracts, a lot of it doesn't make sense because you don't understand how it got that way.

So, unlike other unions, there are no educational contract videos. There's no powerpoint presentations. Yes, you can call into the main office and ask a contract question, good luck having them actually tell you the correct information. I know I'm on an epic rant here but that's the darn truth! I've had the company tell me better information than the union has. And if you ask someone about the contract, you'll probably get a "Call your sponsor!" response. As if those exist today.:rolleyes:

Bidding for vacancies. FDX has the most complicated vacancy bidding system in the airline industry. We thought we were getting small monthly bids. No. Instead we still have large system bids. After being awarded a position, you then bid monthly on when you want to go to training. This system is overly complicated and means that you really have no idea when you might be going to training.

I can go on and on, but the grass isn't necessarily greener here at FedEx anymore. This isn't your late 90s early 2000s FedEx. The majors are back on their feet, they're earning as much if not more than FedEx. And they have profit sharing, FedEx employees and pilots do not. For example, in 2017, Delta Air Line employees shared $1.1 billion dollars in profit sharing.

Something to think about that they don't tell you at the FedEx meet and greet.

UnusualAttitude 04-26-2018 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2580783)
Let's be honest about FedEx.

FedEx haa the WORST reserve system in the airline industry. If you are junior, it really really sucks. Everyday of reserve is a "short call" day which means you must be in Memphis (or your base). And if you are senior enough to get the one or two R24 lines, they'll probably call you into Memphis to sit hotel standby. Speaking of, FDX has hotel and airport standbys. Meaning, if you're not already in Memphis or base, they'll put you in hotels or make you sit at the airport. I think most of the majors got rid of that crap a long time ago. Somehow those airlines flying thousands of flights a day manage with their much better reserve system, but not FDX. For example, there's only a handful of 777 departures a day, but they'll have 30 people sitting short calls in Memphis. Why? And don't let a bunch of FDX pilots who were military wonders who haven't worked anywhere else tell you how great it is because they don't know what they don't know. Many regional pilots have better reserve systems/scheduling systems. And make no mistake, the senior bubbas aren't ever going to fix it because, "what will we have to give up to fix it? You choose to be junior."

The pay scales are also screwed up. FDX has neither the ALPA standard higher pay rates for the increased size of the airplane, or single pay rates like its main competitor UPS. Instead you have narrow body pay for 757 and wide body pay for everything else. So if you ever get stuck on or bid to the 757, just know that the industry has left you behind and you're either on the worst 757 pay scale as compared to the majors, or tied for it. BUT, you're most likely flying night hub turns which after a week of those is a real kick in the pants.

But but but but, some people will be quick to say that the 777 has some bennies built into the contact for the long flights over 8 and 12 hours. Yes, it does. However, it isn't enough to significantly change your W2 at the end of the year. Since the 777 has extremely little extra flying, you fly what you can hold, basic bid line guarantee, and there's little chances of working extra and making extra. Senior or hard working 757FOs can earn a lot more than the average 777FO. Yes, it's true.

Wait a second, you just said 757 pay scales suck. Yes, they do. And under certain ideal conditions and circumstances, some senior 757FOs can make bank but its going to fail your marriage or take a couple years off the end of your life doing it. Choose wisely.

There are little gotchas in the contract. For example, if you are removed from a trip, unlike the rest of the airline industry where you have guarantee pay and you go home, at FDX you get to play the substitution game. Seriously, you have to see this disaster of a schematic chart to figure out how/what you should do if you fall into substitution hell. If you look at that ridiculous chart, you'll see acronyms like RAT ... good luck ever finding that defined. (Shhhhh... it stands for reassignment trip). You have to read the contact and read between the lines to figure that out as RAT is never defined anywhere.

Which comes to my next point. The union is damn near broken. As a new hire, unlike other unions out there, the union WILL NOT teach you anything about the contract. Contract education is nonexistent. This leads to problems for new hires because some of the language hasn't been implemented yet -- even after all this time. As a new hire, you utilize the new language not realizing it isn't active yet which can end with you in trouble with the company or in debt to them. The current contract seems like a contract with a band-aids on top of band-aids to fix the problems. However, if you haven't been around for the past two or three contracts, a lot of it doesn't make sense because you don't understand how it got that way.

So, unlike other unions, there are no educational contract videos. There's no powerpoint presentations. Yes, you can call into the main office and ask a contract question, good luck having them actually tell you the correct information. I know I'm on an epic rant here but that's the darn truth! I've had the company tell me better information than the union has. And if you ask someone about the contract, you'll probably get a "Call your sponsor!" response. As if those exist today.:rolleyes:

Bidding for vacancies. FDX has the most complicated vacancy bidding system in the airline industry. We thought we were getting small monthly bids. No. Instead we still have large system bids. After being awarded a position, you then bid monthly on when you want to go to training. This system is overly complicated and means that you really have no idea when you might be going to training.

I can go on and on, but the grass isn't necessarily greener here at FedEx anymore. This isn't your late 90s early 2000s FedEx. The majors are back on their feet, they're earning as much if not more than FedEx. And they have profit sharing, FedEx employees and pilots do not. For example, in 2017, Delta Air Line employees shared $1.1 billion dollars in profit sharing.

Something to think about that they don't tell you at the FedEx meet and greet.

Hard to argue with that. Not a thing you said was untrue.

I would mention that our vacation is far superior to the pax carriers and our retirement is better. Otherwise, when it comes to work rules and day to day, we lag far behind.

UA

PurpleToolBox 04-26-2018 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude (Post 2580786)
Hard to argue with that. Not a thing you said was untrue.

I would mention that our vacation is far superior to the pax carriers and our retirement is better. Otherwise, when it comes to work rules and day to day, we lag far behind.

UA

I agree with you. There are plenty of good things here. I just think some of the bad deals should be said. I've flown with some new hires here who seem to have been blindsided by a few things they didn't know before coming here.

Boats and Hos 04-26-2018 01:34 PM

Dagnamit
 
Purpletool, that just took the wind right out of my sales but I needed to hear it as I thought it was the greatest place ever. Delusions of two years on the 767 in Hong Kong then back on the A300 with easy flights to Florida. It sounds as bad as where I am now.

No, FedEx is not the only company that makes you sit airport reserve for eight hours in the worst hell hole on the planet-LGA. Reserve work rules too are pathetic. How about being called on R for a trip but still being on R at the same time??? How about getting a late night trip assigned but being told you must come in two and a half hours early to sit at the airport first. Yes, it can always be worse but always better.

Now I haven't been called by Purple but honestly after what you have said, and another agreed, I think it's not for me. I wish more people would write truths and more would listen. As I said, in two years time, FedEx might be begging. Yes, Delta, and SWA, is much better and happens to have decent work rules. Best of luck to you and thank you again.

123456789 04-26-2018 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2580796)
Purpletool, that just took the wind right out of my sales but I needed to hear it as I thought it was the greatest place ever. Delusions of two years on the 767 in Hong Kong then back on the A300 with easy flights to Florida. It sounds as bad as where I am now.

No, FedEx is not the only company that makes you sit airport reserve for eight hours in the worst hell hole on the planet-LGA. Reserve work rules too are pathetic. How about being called on R for a trip but still being on R at the same time??? How about getting a late night trip assigned but being told you must come in two and a half hours early to sit at the airport first. Yes, it can always be worse but always better.

Now I haven't been called by Purple but honestly after what you have said, and another agreed, I think it's not for me. I wish more people would write truths and more would listen. As I said, in two years time, FedEx might be begging. Yes, Delta, and SWA, is much better and happens to have decent work rules. Best of luck to you and thank you again.

I would be hesitant to let a few sour apples influence my choice. No matter where you go there will be things that people hate and things that people love. I would advise you to find someone you know that works at any of your career airlines and ask them pointed questions. FedEx isnít the leader in many things but it is in others. Iíve worked at a 2 airlines and I would say itís a mixed bag. FedEx would still be my personal choice and I donít regret leaving my previous jobs to come here. Just my 2 cents.

Moosefire 04-26-2018 02:58 PM

Iíll echo the comments above, but with a relevant caveat. Iíve just been at FX over a year and in that time I have been able to drop every day on reserve that suited my needs (may not always be the case). Also, there are very few seats where junior guys are forced to reserve lines more than a few months right now.

We may lag in some areas, but itís mid afternoon on Thursday and Iím sitting in a delta skyclub with a glass of cab (before a first class DH home). A year down and day flying, weekends off, and DHs... doesnít suck.

NewOldGuy 04-26-2018 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2580796)
Purpletool, that just took the wind right out of my sales but I needed to hear it as I thought it was the greatest place ever. Delusions of two years on the 767 in Hong Kong then back on the A300 with easy flights to Florida. It sounds as bad as where I am now.



No, FedEx is not the only company that makes you sit airport reserve for eight hours in the worst hell hole on the planet-LGA. Reserve work rules too are pathetic. How about being called on R for a trip but still being on R at the same time??? How about getting a late night trip assigned but being told you must come in two and a half hours early to sit at the airport first. Yes, it can always be worse but always better.



Now I haven't been called by Purple but honestly after what you have said, and another agreed, I think it's not for me. I wish more people would write truths and more would listen. As I said, in two years time, FedEx might be begging. Yes, Delta, and SWA, is much better and happens to have decent work rules. Best of luck to you and thank you again.



I came to fedex from the company you work for. There is NO comparison. You also couldnít pay me to leave here for delta or swa right now. Yes, Iím still junior and still get a reserve line. Iíve also been ďbitĒ by some of the ďsorry, that part of the contract hasnít been implemented yet!Ē Iím not saying itís unicorns and rainbows, and some may prefer flying pax and multi-leg, max duty days. But for me, Iím very fortunate to be in the place thatís best for me.


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kc10/c130 04-26-2018 03:18 PM

I can't disagree with a lot of what he pointed out except for on the 777. Pretty much rocks to be able to get your high 5 while sitting reserve and only flying 100 hours a year. But what do I know. I couldn't afford the pay cut to go to the 757 Captain seat and they work way too much.

Flying Boxes 04-26-2018 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2580783)
Let's be honest about FedEx.

FedEx haa the WORST reserve system in the airline industry...
Something to think about that they don't tell you at the FedEx meet and greet.

Executive Summary: Being junior sucks! :eek::rolleyes::D

UnusualAttitude 04-26-2018 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying Boxes (Post 2580879)
Executive Summary: Being junior sucks! :eek::rolleyes::D

But being junior at Purple sucks worse*.

UA

*as compared to the other legacy and career type airlines. Much mo better than any regional out there.

Hacker15e 04-26-2018 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2580796)
honestly after what you have said, and another agreed, I think it's not for me.

So a single post on APC is enough to dissuade you from desiring to work at FedEx?

FlyBoyd 04-26-2018 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2580586)
It's a song from a movie Boats and Hos. Go rent Stepbrothers and you'll see. This is also an anonymous forum for the most part so I don't think that unless we are all going to start using real names that it really matters. Thanks though.

You might think it’s anonymous. It may be to most readers here but....If FedEx wanted to find you, what if they sorted the apps for the following?

-Direct Entry Captains hired at Endeavor in the fall of 2017 after mid-October
-NY based
-lives “in the south”
-typed in a FedEx jet but only FO time because why would you leave a Capt job for RJ Captain at Endevavor?
-exactly four recommendations

How long would that list be?

I could be wrong but that took me 10 minutes after reviewing your post history here. I’m sure there is more info there but I’m just trying to make a point. Just a friendly heads up. FedEx employs people that do this for a living. Nothing is anonymous.

Shaman 04-26-2018 04:07 PM

Like I said I've been here 3 years hired into the widebody FO position and I can only share my first hand experience ymmv.

My experience couldn't be more different than what Purpletoolbox has stated.

One can easily make north of 250k/yr at 2nd year pay in the right seat of a widebody, fly less than 300 hours in a year gain the top invite only elite status on several airlines with 100's of thousands of FF miles, rarely fly at night, stay in five star hotels, and rarely ever fly more than one leg.

I'm not on the 777 and don't really care to be on it. The 11 has the best bonus level flying in the System period full stop. Anybody who wants to have a debate about it take a look at the schedules of those who know guys who know and I'll be happy to engage. As a matter of fact I've not seen much else anywhere else that can touch it.

Its all about perspective. My perspective is from a guy who's been here a short time but has great seniority in my seat.

There are several bases where reserve goes senior and VTOs are the most junior.

I have colleagues that are 777 FOs based in MEM on reserve and they can go months without flying. They live in the base and it would take a stick of dynamite to get them out of there. Living in base makes all that complaining about reserve a moot issue.

Where purpletoolbox and I are completely aligned is the contract, work rules, and the union. We have one of the most broken self serving and divided pilot workforces I have ever seen anywhere and it is the root causality of the weaknesses in the contracts. I'm optimistic that this will change with the addition of a large dose of new blood who understand that all of our interests are aligned and we should seek positive outcomes for everyone.

He's also right that the union doesn't provide any support in navigating or understanding the system. It is something that should certainly change especially with the flood of newhires.

As well substitution is an just asinine. Rube Goldberg couldn't have designed a more ridiculous flow chart to decide if what to do if a trip cancels


All that said we should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

If money is your motivation LIVE IN MEMPHIS.
If having the best scheduling options is important LIVE IN MEMPHIS. If upgrading early is important LIVE IN MEMPHIS.

Living in your base makes this an entirely different job. An arguably much much better job.

The pay rates are what they are, but there's lots of soft money opportunities to mine! If you are willing to educate yourself and exploit them.

Every company has things to complain about, but I have zero regrets about this being my 1st choice.

FlyBoyd 04-26-2018 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 2580900)
Like I said I've been here 3 years hired into the widebody FO position and I can only share my first hand experience ymmv.

My experience couldn't be more different than what Purpletoolbox has stated.

One can easily make north of 250k/yr at 2nd year pay in the right seat of a widebody, fly less than 300 hours in a year gain the top invite only elite status on several airlines with 100's of thousands of FF miles, rarely fly at night, stay in five star hotels, and rarely ever fly more than one leg.

I'm not on the 777 and don't really care to be on it. The 11 has the best bonus level flying in the System period full stop. Anybody who wants to have a debate about it take a look at the schedules of those who know guys who know and I'll be happy to engage. As a matter of fact I've not seen much else anywhere else that can touch it.

Its all about perspective. My perspective is from a guy who's been here a short time but has great seniority in my seat.

There are several bases where reserve goes senior and VTOs are the most junior.

I have colleagues that are 777 FOs based in MEM on reserve and they can go months without flying. They live in the base and it would take a stick of dynamite to get them out of there. Living in base makes all that complaining about reserve a moot issue.

Where purpletoolbox and I are completely aligned is the contract, work rules, and the union. We have one of the most broken self serving and divided pilot workforces I have ever seen anywhere and it is the root causality of the weaknesses in the contracts. I'm optimistic that this will change with the addition of a large dose of new blood who understand that all of our interests are aligned and we should seek positive outcomes for everyone.

He's also right that the union doesn't provide any support in navigating or understanding the system. It is something that should certainly change especially with the flood of newhires.

As well substitution is an just asinine. Rube Goldberg couldn't have designed a more ridiculous flow chart to decide if what to do if a trip cancels


All that said we should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

If money is your motivation LIVE IN MEMPHIS.
If having the best scheduling options is important LIVE IN MEMPHIS. If upgrading early is important LIVE IN MEMPHIS.

Living in your base makes this an entirely different job. An arguably much much better job.

The pay rates are what they are, but there's lots of soft money opportunities to mine! If you are willing to educate yourself and exploit them.

Every company has things to complain about, but I have zero regrets about this being my 1st choice.

No offense, but I’d like to see the math on how you come up with $250k. That’s well north of 1200CHs for the year at 2nd year WB FO pay even if you include the B plan and some per diem....while only blocking 300 hours? How many days worked to get there?

Show me please.

BrulesRulez 04-26-2018 05:10 PM

If FedEx isn't good then why are pilots (Let's say average 2 years or less company time) from the Big 3 + SWA coming to FedEx?

Shaman 04-26-2018 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyBoyd (Post 2580924)
No offense, but I’d like to see the math on how you come up with $250k. That’s well north of 1200CHs for the year at 2nd year WB FO pay even if you include the B plan and some per diem....while only blocking 300 hours? How many days worked to get there?

Show me please.

It may seem crazy but
Pilot BLG 170K
Pilot Vol 55K
Pilot Intl 6.5k
Per Diem 9.5k
Training and OTR 10K

That's $251K no B-fund Added

Didn't fly at all for one month (negative BLG)

As for the Block time. It makes sense where you adopt a strategy of emphasizing trips with high trip rig values and chopping of layovers on Itn'l DHs.

What's really amazing is you can do it without filling your sked with BLUE lines.

This isn't a humble brag, but it shows what is possible and there are plenty of guys here that do this waaay better than me.

Moosefire 04-26-2018 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 2580952)
It may seem crazy but
Pilot BLG 170K
Pilot Vol 55K
Pilot Intl 6.5k
Per Diem 9.5k
Training and OTR 10K

That's $251K no B-fund Added

Didn't fly at all for one month (negative BLG)

As for the Block time. It makes sense where you adopt a strategy of emphasizing trips with high trip rig values and chopping of layovers on Itn'l DHs.

What's really amazing is you can do it without filling your sked with BLUE lines.

This isn't a humble brag, but it shows what is possible and there are plenty of guys here that do this waaay better than me.

Man, Iíve got some learnin to do. Good on ya!

Flying Boxes 04-26-2018 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude (Post 2580880)
But being junior at Purple sucks worse*.

UA

*as compared to the other legacy and career type airlines. Much mo better than any regional out there.

Agree 100%!!!

Shaman 04-26-2018 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moosefire (Post 2580956)
Man, Iíve got some learnin to do. Good on ya!

Brother let me tell ya some of the work I've seen these hardcore guys put into this game would blow your mind and their paychecks should come in a Brinks truck.

PurpleToolBox 04-26-2018 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kc10/c130 (Post 2580870)
I can't disagree with a lot of what he pointed out except for on the 777. Pretty much rocks to be able to get your high 5 while sitting reserve and only flying 100 hours a year. But what do I know. I couldn't afford the pay cut to go to the 757 Captain seat and they work way too much.

I am not calling you a liar, but could you show me using the highest paying FO scale how that math works out -- sitting reserves and only flying 100 hours and getting high fives? You need to average 120 CH a month to do that on the highest scale. While sitting reserves and 100 hours a year? Seems fishy.

I am on the 777 and I am trying to fly as much as possible and there's no way I'm going to have a high five. I am not as senior as you. Are you maxed out on the FO scale?

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Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 2580900)
My experience couldn't be more different than what Purpletoolbox has stated.

I'm not on the 777

Yes, you're right. You haven't been excessed, and you're not on the 777. The other wide bodies have typical hub turn flying mixed in with international so their schedules and scheduling flexibility and ability to get draft and extra work are very different than the 777.

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Originally Posted by BrulesRulez (Post 2580938)
If FedEx isn't good then why are pilots (Let's say average 2 years or less company time) from the Big 3 + SWA coming to FedEx?

My post wasn't about what airline is the best. My post was about someone asking about FedEx and some of his/her questions struck a point of contention with me. People need to be told the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Did you know the company held focus groups comprised of junior and mid-senior pilots, asking them how FedEx could improve the quality of pilots applying to FedEx? One of my FOs was part of the focus groups. I find it interesting that the company is doing this. Are they having problems finding top quality recruits now? I know that EVERYBODY in my reserve unit ... EVERYONE wants to work for Delta and/or is working for Delta besides me. FedEx is like a four letter dirty word now in some units.

We need to be honest with people who are looking to come to FedEx. Not to be rude, but if you haven't worked at other airlines, you just don't know what you don't know. That may or may not be you.

People online here talk like the feces doesn't stink here, but there's plenty of it that does. And I've only scratched the surface.

Would I want to be back at my old airline flying multiple legs a day? Honestly, probably no. I have no regrets coming here but I cringe when I hear people junior to me on the same piece of equipment telling me they're having high fives when I'm not even close. How can that be? What huge piece of contract language am I missing?

Look at a 10-year FO. If you use the industry standard of 1000 CH a year X pay rate of $200.48, that works out to a rounded $200,000. Where's the other $60,000 coming from? And doing that while sitting reserve? I have to throw a flag on that play. What am I missing? I am willing to listen and learn.

BUT ANOTHER BIG WORK RULE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YOUR QOL HERE AT FEDEX THAT NEW HIRES FROM OTHER AIRLINES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ..

FedEx DOES NOT want you commuting directly into long haul flights. Meaning, you need to come in the night or day before your long hault flight checks in and have "crew rest." I put the quotes around crew rest because those words are not in the CBA. Unlike the other major airlines where 95% of the pilots domiciled in the NYC bases and others commute directly into a long haul flights, FedEx prohibits you from using FedEx aircraft jumpseats for jumpseating to the AOC and then immediately signing in for a long haul flight.

Worse, the company has retaliated against those who have done this. They went after a 777 new hire who did it and also removed a senior 777 FO from his flight because he was on the same jumpseat jet as the new hire. A two for one. The new hire ended up quitting FedEx. The union tap danced and was able to secure general makeup for the senior FO who was removed from the trip. Precedence was set and FedEx doesn't allow this. When you violate this provision in the CBA, and many do, you are hanging it out there.

However, if you legally jumpseated into a trip and were under the 13 hour duty day provision, SHOULD your operational flight be operationally delayed and you call the schedulers crying fatigue, the company will be quick to tell you that jumpseating does not count against your duty day and that you should be well rested. They want it both ways. Either jumpseating directly into work counts against your duty day, or it doesn't. FARs say it doesn't. But once again our CBA has some stupid language in it which allows pilots to hang themselves and gives the company ammunition to discipline you.

Another small fine print those coming here need to be aware of.

Shaman 04-26-2018 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Boxes (Post 2580963)
Agree 100%!!!

I wondering are you guys talking about today? Or are we talking 5-10-20 years ago?

kronan 04-26-2018 06:14 PM

FedEx Reserve-
do any of the Pax airlines have a 60 Second late money back guarantee?

"We offer a money-back guarantee for every U.S. shipment. You may request a refund or credit of your shipping charges if we miss our published (or quoted, as in the case of FedEx SameDayģ) delivery time by even 60 seconds.

This guarantee applies to all U.S. shipments, commercial and residential, to all 50 states." (There are Exceptions, but that's for system wide events....IOW-not the well there's Weather SOMEWHERE in the US and that's why we cancelled your flight so-no soup for you games the Pax carriers seem to play)

Substitution-it's easy. Do nothing. FedEx has up until 4 hours after your scheduled show to find a trip or you go home with pay. If you're a 777 guy with a 2 week pairing, then you get 3 days off and then you're on call between 1000-1600 with an 8 hour call out window. Did anyone mention odds are pretty slim of a 777 trip being available, you know, to fly Extra at straight time.

OR, You can tell Scheduling to kiss off with no ramifications and they drop the trip and give you the option to Makeup that cancelled trip at 125% of Pay.

OR, if Scheduling needs your Trip to Show or Return late...they might offer you a Reassignment Trip (Pay code RAT) and you get the Highest of the Original Trip guarantee or RAT trip guarantee at 125%
Did anyone Mention that you Don't have to accept the RAT trip? YOU can tell Scheduling to kiss of with no consequences other than remaining eligible for Substitution

So, Scheduling Offers you a Substitution Trip...did anyone Mention that you can tell Scheduling to kiss off? Consequence is that trip pay drops into your regular makeup bank.
But I'd rather do that than fly a 4 leg AM out and back to Memphis.

Aircraft Pay. Only 2 it's true. 757 mostly fly's into the Greats and Grands...typically carrying 15-25k of Cargo
Airbus, 76, MD11, tend to carry a bit more than that

https://www.fedex.com/en-us/service-...guarantee.html

Shaman 04-26-2018 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kronan (Post 2580972)

Substitution-it's easy. Do nothing. FedEx has up until 4 hours after your scheduled show to find a trip or you go home with pay. If you're a 777 guy with a 2 week pairing, then you get 3 days off and then you're on call between 1000-1600 with an 8 hour call out window. Did anyone mention odds are pretty slim of a 777 trip being available, you know, to fly Extra at straight time.

OR, You can tell Scheduling to kiss off with no ramifications and they drop the trip and give you the option to Makeup that cancelled trip at 125% of Pay.

OR, if Scheduling needs your Trip to Show or Return late...they might offer you a Reassignment Trip (Pay code RAT) and you get the Highest of the Original Trip guarantee or RAT trip guarantee at 125%
Did anyone Mention that you Don't have to accept the RAT trip? YOU can tell Scheduling to kiss of with no consequences other than remaining eligible for Substitution

So, Scheduling Offers you a Substitution Trip...did anyone Mention that you can tell Scheduling to kiss off? Consequence is that trip pay drops into your regular makeup bank.
But I'd rather do that than fly a 4 leg AM out and back to Memphis.

Simple is relative apparently . I'm more a George Foreman Grill kind-o-guy. Set it and forget it!

Simple=Trip cancels you go home you get paid. No calls, no choices, or decisions.

Not picking a fit just a little ribbing

PW305 04-26-2018 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kronan (Post 258097)
OR, You can tell Scheduling to kiss off with no ramifications and they drop the trip and give you the option to Makeup that cancelled trip at 125%

You have to admit, sub is ridiculous. They cancel a trip on you and youíre happy you can make it up at 125% later? Should be paid trip guarantee and go home...

CapnRC 04-26-2018 06:52 PM

This has definitely been interesting reading.

Sounds like reserve is not great but how long would you normally be on reserve out of MEM or IND? I'm sure it varies by fleet too?

Thank you.

busdriver12 04-26-2018 07:26 PM

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BUT ANOTHER BIG WORK RULE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YOUR QOL HERE AT FEDEX THAT NEW HIRES FROM OTHER AIRLINES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ..

FedEx DOES NOT want you commuting directly into long haul flights. Meaning, you need to come in the night or day before your long hault flight checks in and have "crew rest." I put the quotes around crew rest because those words are not in the CBA. Unlike the other major airlines where 95% of the pilots domiciled in the NYC bases and others commute directly into a long haul flights, FedEx prohibits you from using FedEx aircraft jumpseats for jumpseating to the AOC and then immediately signing in for a long haul flight.
Well, I wonder why. Maybe because commuting into a long haul flight ain't so smart, and it's fatiguing? Think we're trying to work on our safety record here.

A lot of your other complaints are valid and things that we need to work on, however, they aren't the end of the world and the sky isn't falling. Many of them don't even affect the majority of people more than once in a blue moon, like substitution.

But I don't think I'd trade for any of Delta's contract, except for profit sharing. I'll keep my vacation, ability to drop anything I want and take off a few months if I'd like to. I'll also keep my pension (God forbid the union give it away), and reserve was a pretty good deal when I was living in Memphis, though I complained bitterly the two days a month I got called out. I'll keep my first class deadheading, my Delta Diamond status and free club privileges. I'll also keep my long layovers and company paid deadheads to work instead of jumpseating.

You go ahead and complain bitterly about every possible thing, but the rest of us are busy trip trading with the computer....

Flying Boxes 04-26-2018 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 2580970)
I wondering are you guys talking about today? Or are we talking 5-10-20 years ago?

Did too many years of reserve. YES YEARS of reserve! Had a few excesses as well. Been here more than 10 years, & survived 4A2B. I think that has a lot to do with 75 Captain going junior. Too many lower mid level seniority pilots donít want to do that again, including me.

Doesnít matter when really , being ďmoreĒ senior is always better no matter when youíre hired! There is only one pilot not worried about seniority 🤣. And reserve rules have not changed much over last 15 years or more.

Raptor 04-26-2018 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 258096)

BUT ANOTHER BIG WORK RULE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YOUR QOL HERE AT FEDEX THAT NEW HIRES FROM OTHER AIRLINES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ..

FedEx DOES NOT want you commuting directly into long haul flights. Meaning, you need to come in the night or day before your long hault flight checks in and have "crew rest." I put the quotes around crew rest because those words are not in the CBA. Unlike the other major airlines where 95% of the pilots domiciled in the NYC bases and others commute directly into a long haul flights, FedEx prohibits you from using FedEx aircraft jumpseats for jumpseating to the AOC and then immediately signing in for a long haul flight.

Worse, the company has retaliated against those who have done this. They went after a 777 new hire who did it and also removed a senior 777 FO from his flight because he was on the same jumpseat jet as the new hire. A two for one. The new hire ended up quitting FedEx. The union tap danced and was able to secure general makeup for the senior FO who was removed from the trip. Precedence was set and FedEx doesn't allow this. When you violate this provision in the CBA, and many do, you are hanging it out there.

However, if you legally jumpseated into a trip and were under the 13 hour duty day provision, SHOULD your operational flight be operationally delayed and you call the schedulers crying fatigue, the company will be quick to tell you that jumpseating does not count against your duty day and that you should be well rested. They want it both ways. Either jumpseating directly into work counts against your duty day, or it doesn't. FARs say it doesn't. But once again our CBA has some stupid language in it which allows pilots to hang themselves and gives the company ammunition to discipline you.

Another small fine print those coming here need to be aware of.

Thereís more to the story of the new hire being removed from the trip after jumpseating in. This story happened years ago and I have not heard of it happening since.

Many pilots confuse this concept in the CBA. There is NO prohibition against jumpseating into ANY trip. None, zero, Nada. What is often thought of as a prohibition is simply that one loses the protection of not getting a disciplinary letter if the combined notional Duty of Jumpseat through trip is too long. It takes quite a few of these letters before you even stand in front of the man.

Jumpseat awayólegally. I would argue that many of the commuters who Jumpseat into long international trips are more rested than those who live in Memphis.

manolo1492 04-26-2018 08:23 PM

Iím no expert, but the year Iíve been here has been the easiest reserve Iíve done EVER!! Iíve dropped most of the days I didnít wanna work (A LOT), and while on reserve hardly fly so I mostly spend time looking for some good food in Memphis or go to the gym and get my swole on. Maybe at the legacy pax airlines you donít actually have to show up for work when your on reserve?? Thatís the only way it could get any easier IMO :)

manolo1492 04-26-2018 08:25 PM

Oh and I jumpseat mosly offline because Iím a rebel :-o

Shaman 04-26-2018 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CapnRC (Post 2580993)
This has definitely been interesting reading.

Sounds like reserve is not great but how long would you normally be on reserve out of MEM or IND? I'm sure it varies by fleet too?

Thank you.

MEM probably not very long couple months to a year depending on fleet. In IND a long time its a super small base

pinseeker 04-27-2018 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 2580952)
It may seem crazy but
Pilot BLG 170K
Pilot Vol 55K
Pilot Intl 6.5k
Per Diem 9.5k
Training and OTR 10K

That's $251K no B-fund Added

Didn't fly at all for one month (negative BLG)

As for the Block time. It makes sense where you adopt a strategy of emphasizing trips with high trip rig values and chopping of layovers on Itn'l DHs.

What's really amazing is you can do it without filling your sked with BLUE lines.

This isn't a humble brag, but it shows what is possible and there are plenty of guys here that do this waaay better than me.


Yeah, it can be done, but your VLT pay of $55K requires 33-35 days of extra work in the year. Also, $10K in training and OTR? I have no idea what OTR is, but training pay for 5 days a year is less than $4K.

So yeah, work your regular schedule and add an average of 3 days a month onto that and hope that you can get it at draft. Sounds easy.

pinseeker 04-27-2018 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2580968)

BUT ANOTHER BIG WORK RULE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS YOUR QOL HERE AT FEDEX THAT NEW HIRES FROM OTHER AIRLINES NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ..

FedEx DOES NOT want you commuting directly into long haul flights. Meaning, you need to come in the night or day before your long hault flight checks in and have "crew rest." I put the quotes around crew rest because those words are not in the CBA. Unlike the other major airlines where 95% of the pilots domiciled in the NYC bases and others commute directly into a long haul flights, FedEx prohibits you from using FedEx aircraft jumpseats for jumpseating to the AOC and then immediately signing in for a long haul flight.



I can't find that rule anywhere in the CBA or the FOM. Could you provide the section in the FOM or CBA that states this rule?


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