SDP
07-01-2018, 08:26 PM
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I read these changes to sec 24 of the TA and asked the questions. It was considered a give back to the company. what did we get in return? what did the union architect of sec 24 get in return? one good thing about our current MEC is the commitment to not take a job with the company for 5 years after leaving office. I wonder if our new leader will honor this.
07-01-2018, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
I read these changes to sec 24 of the TA and asked the questions. It was considered a give back to the company. what did we get in return? what did the union architect of sec 24 get in return? one good thing about our current MEC is the commitment to not take a job with the company for 5 years after leaving office. I wonder if our new leader will honor this.
07-01-2018, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
I'd love to see the stats on how many people are truly awarded SDP. I'm thinking the number is going to be in the single digits.
07-02-2018, 04:40 AM
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Bidding for seats and training dates just doesn’t have to be this hard or complicated. Since we follow the passenger carriers on fuel requirements maybe we should follow them on some other things.
07-02-2018, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
Good. That means people are bidding for and being awarded a training slot when they want, rather than when the company wants you to go and then it being changed three or more times. Under the old system, how many people went to training in the slot that they were originally scheduled after the vacancy bid? I’m thinking that number was in the single digits. We should hope that nobody gets SDP. That means that the bid-for-training is working and people are going when they choose to go (seniority dependent, of course). I’ll take the new bid-for-training/SDP system over the old “here’s your training date, make your life plans; sorry... here’s your new training date, rearrange your plans; sorry... here’s your new, new training date, make new, new plans...” system. Definitely a CBA win for me.
Maybe it is because I never got a ticket on the Passover gravy train, but I will take this system over the old way every time. That being said, my final ITU was years ago and my date was moved 3 times a total of 17 weeks.
07-02-2018, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever
This. Seniority based system of bidding for training is what we asked for and what was delivered. Company denies your seniority driven ability to go to school, then they have to pay based on the seat differential. Still do not see how anyone thinks this was not a gain. Unless we are back to wanting to dictate to the corporation when they train and how they staff their airline.
Maybe it is because I never got a ticket on the Passover gravy train, but I will take this system over the old way every time. That being said, my final ITU was years ago and my date was moved 3 times a total of 17 weeks.
Maybe it is because I never got a ticket on the Passover gravy train, but I will take this system over the old way every time. That being said, my final ITU was years ago and my date was moved 3 times a total of 17 weeks.
07-02-2018, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper
Bid go training is good when done the correct way. This system is different than any other airline. You should have to bid on a training class every month. Do your research and find out how other companies do their bid for training.
07-02-2018, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
I read these changes to sec 24 of the TA and asked the questions. It was considered a give back to the company. what did we get in return? what did the union architect of sec 24 get in return? one good thing about our current MEC is the commitment to not take a job with the company for 5 years after leaving office. I wonder if our new leader will honor this.
07-02-2018, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
Good. That means people are bidding for and being awarded a training slot when they want, rather than when the company wants you to go and then it being changed three or more times. Under the old system, how many people went to training in the slot that they were originally scheduled after the vacancy bid? I’m thinking that number was in the single digits. We should hope that nobody gets SDP. That means that the bid-for-training is working and people are going when they choose to go (seniority dependent, of course). I’ll take the new bid-for-training/SDP system over the old “here’s your training date, make your life plans; sorry... here’s your new training date, rearrange your plans; sorry... here’s your new, new training date, make new, new plans...” system. Definitely a CBA win for me.
07-02-2018, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
except ... I didn’t get the training date that I had requested and now ... the company will pay less than what passover pay would have been. so really the company still dictates your training date for less pay. and yes, I was senior enough in the bid to hold this training date. but someone junior will go instead because ... apparently the a300 F/O seat is undermanned, so where is the vacation buy-back FCIF? the AV trips? ah, forget about it. I’m gonna go for a swim. been doing situps. my abs are fabulous.
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