Vector App
07-17-2018, 06:14 AM
#11
On Reserve
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 19
Originally Posted by FastBurner
Used it for three days straight since it loaded.
Average time to initially “load” - about 30 seconds. Average time to get details of flight - about 110 seconds (every time you tap a flight number). Almost 2 minutes watching (another) spinning icon...every time you tap a flight... in the nearly three minutes of just waiting, I can log onto FXCal, look at open time (MD-11), and go to vips home page and review release.
Pro
- everything is there one needs
Cons
- fonts are so big (and I wear readers), very little info on each scroll
- due to above, tons of empty space on screen not used, causing one to scroll up & down
- jokingly slow to update (the data takes maybe 10 seconds, but reformatting and placing into vector format is frustrating).
- release different format than printed (geez, why not just download the actual release & view as original?)
- the program loads to next flight, so have to scroll up to current flight.
- every time program opens, it automatically starts to load (just basics). Compare to fxcal where I can logon but ask for a refresh (why can’t there be a manual “sync” option?)
I love technology, saw the beta version of vector, and was excited to see product. Not real sure this helps me personally though. I can use vips website via safari (release, jumpers, 5 day history), gatesheet on company browser (gates for dept and arrival, mels), JeppFD-Pro pro to load flight, and fxcal all within time that vector loads. (Just talking about loading data, one must review the release and info on either system obviously)
Would have been better to just give raw data (with everything in one place, timesaver) in the vector app vs trying to make neat displays (in a new format). Take fxcal (or BidX) hotel displays or trip setup views, no scrolling required, all info neatly presented efficiently and quick.
Done using it for now. Tried it out for 7 flights over three days, got more frustrated as I used it. Again, my personal view only & hope others find it useful.
Average time to initially “load” - about 30 seconds. Average time to get details of flight - about 110 seconds (every time you tap a flight number). Almost 2 minutes watching (another) spinning icon...every time you tap a flight... in the nearly three minutes of just waiting, I can log onto FXCal, look at open time (MD-11), and go to vips home page and review release.
Pro
- everything is there one needs
Cons
- fonts are so big (and I wear readers), very little info on each scroll
- due to above, tons of empty space on screen not used, causing one to scroll up & down
- jokingly slow to update (the data takes maybe 10 seconds, but reformatting and placing into vector format is frustrating).
- release different format than printed (geez, why not just download the actual release & view as original?)
- the program loads to next flight, so have to scroll up to current flight.
- every time program opens, it automatically starts to load (just basics). Compare to fxcal where I can logon but ask for a refresh (why can’t there be a manual “sync” option?)
I love technology, saw the beta version of vector, and was excited to see product. Not real sure this helps me personally though. I can use vips website via safari (release, jumpers, 5 day history), gatesheet on company browser (gates for dept and arrival, mels), JeppFD-Pro pro to load flight, and fxcal all within time that vector loads. (Just talking about loading data, one must review the release and info on either system obviously)
Would have been better to just give raw data (with everything in one place, timesaver) in the vector app vs trying to make neat displays (in a new format). Take fxcal (or BidX) hotel displays or trip setup views, no scrolling required, all info neatly presented efficiently and quick.
Done using it for now. Tried it out for 7 flights over three days, got more frustrated as I used it. Again, my personal view only & hope others find it useful.
07-18-2018, 11:22 AM
#12
Not a real airline pilot
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: Cargo > Pax
Posts: 365
Vector works less than 50% of the time for me. I keep trying to use it, to pull FPR data, etc...but it either keeps spinning/loading, or tells me that it can’t log me in.
Have been using the traditional methods to get ready to go fly. Vector looks cool, but honestly, it’s like Siri for me. Semi-neat feature that I know exists, but I have no daily use for it if I can’t depend on it.
Have been using the traditional methods to get ready to go fly. Vector looks cool, but honestly, it’s like Siri for me. Semi-neat feature that I know exists, but I have no daily use for it if I can’t depend on it.
07-18-2018, 01:20 PM
#13
Organizational Learning
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Directly behind the combiner
Posts: 4,948
I've been trying to keep a positive attitude and an open mind, but it is my opinion that it's not ready for prime time. Neat toy for LCAs while they're looking (or distracted from looking) over shoulders of working pilots, but not an effective tool for real pilots doing real work.
I stopped by the Vector "Help" cubicle in the AOC to inquire what is the new Crew Delay Code for "Trying to get Vector to work"? At least they smiled.
They acknowledged lots of people are experiencing slow response from the App and said one problem is so many people are accessing the App at one time. DUH! I said I thought that was the goal, how could that be a problem?!?
Their only suggestion was to disable Wi-Fi AND cellular (so, basically Airplane mode) so it will stop trying to do the automatic updates. If that doesn't work, they said I should sign out and then sign back in.
So, disable updates and cycle the ON/OFF switch, and that should make it all better.
Hey, y'all let me know when you get that thing fixed. I've got work to do, and not enough time to waste on your toy.
Oh, and it doesn't work on the Wi-Fi systems in our primary work space. BRILLIANT!
<SMACKHEAD>
.
I stopped by the Vector "Help" cubicle in the AOC to inquire what is the new Crew Delay Code for "Trying to get Vector to work"? At least they smiled.
They acknowledged lots of people are experiencing slow response from the App and said one problem is so many people are accessing the App at one time. DUH! I said I thought that was the goal, how could that be a problem?!?
Their only suggestion was to disable Wi-Fi AND cellular (so, basically Airplane mode) so it will stop trying to do the automatic updates. If that doesn't work, they said I should sign out and then sign back in.
So, disable updates and cycle the ON/OFF switch, and that should make it all better.
Hey, y'all let me know when you get that thing fixed. I've got work to do, and not enough time to waste on your toy.
Oh, and it doesn't work on the Wi-Fi systems in our primary work space. BRILLIANT!
<SMACKHEAD>
.
07-20-2018, 10:02 AM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 277
Originally Posted by TOMM
Maybe I haven't poked around enough but how do you perform the route check using Vector. I can't find the part of the FPR that has the waypoints with distances / fuel / time associated with them.
07-20-2018, 02:53 PM
#18
Line Dawg
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: 777 Captain LCA
Posts: 150
Vector Route
On the route page, select inflight. Time and fuel fields are there. Once you input the off time, it auto populates the times over all points on the route. Fuel entries are obviously manually entered.
Downside, I could be mistaken, is the iPad that is used must stay upfront the entire flight. That is if you use the iPad as your time and fuel log. I’ve heard they are working on a airdrop function to transfer to other iPads. Not sure if that’s true but that’s what I’ve been told. Been using it for two months.
Downside, I could be mistaken, is the iPad that is used must stay upfront the entire flight. That is if you use the iPad as your time and fuel log. I’ve heard they are working on a airdrop function to transfer to other iPads. Not sure if that’s true but that’s what I’ve been told. Been using it for two months.
07-21-2018, 04:43 PM
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,622
Originally Posted by slaveship
On the route page, select inflight. Time and fuel fields are there. Once you input the off time, it auto populates the times over all points on the route. Fuel entries are obviously manually entered.
Downside, I could be mistaken, is the iPad that is used must stay upfront the entire flight. That is if you use the iPad as your time and fuel log. I’ve heard they are working on a airdrop function to transfer to other iPads. Not sure if that’s true but that’s what I’ve been told. Been using it for two months.
Downside, I could be mistaken, is the iPad that is used must stay upfront the entire flight. That is if you use the iPad as your time and fuel log. I’ve heard they are working on a airdrop function to transfer to other iPads. Not sure if that’s true but that’s what I’ve been told. Been using it for two months.
I don't have a route page. The only thing I see is Transportation and then the Flight Number. Underneath the flight number I see the departure and destination airport identifiers and what seems to be five dots. When I click on the airplane symbol I get the Crew, Catering Menu, and Delay Code Reference.
There's nothing else.
07-21-2018, 06:48 PM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,099
Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
I don't have a route page. The only thing I see is Transportation and then the Flight Number. Underneath the flight number I see the departure and destination airport identifiers and what seems to be five dots. When I click on the airplane symbol I get the Crew, Catering Menu, and Delay Code Reference.
There's nothing else.
There's nothing else.
Log off and log back in. That’s what fixed this issue for me.
