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Old 08-17-2018, 05:01 PM
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Did a search but "retirement" brings up the latest pro/cons of VB plan, not strategies on optimizing what we already have.

I have not gone to a retirement seminar--still a few years out--but wondering if some of you that have crunched numbers have compared the straight line/75%/50% spouse annuity options. MacGuy or any others want to comment or share insights?

Also interested in why/how you made your choice for those that have retired. My situation is wife is about 3 years younger than me, good health. Should also have a military retirement at 60.

Same general theme--how many of you retired guys are making house payments verses have just bought a house straight out...pros/cons on each approach are also a subject I'd like to hear about...
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Good question ... it'll be interesting to see what what folks have to say.

Several years back ALPA recommended taking a pass on the annuity for the wife and instead spend the $800/mo. on a big life insurance policy.
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I've heard the same thing as Mayday. I've had people tell me that I should take the full pension, particularly since my spouse also has money coming in and won't need it.

But I guess much has to do with how good you think your health is. It is so individual, based upon how much each person has saved and what their genetics/physical situation is. Though that can unexpectedly change in the blink of an eye. When I look at the retirement website, the choices are overwhelming. I really don't know how you choose the right option without a crystal ball.
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Good question ... it'll be interesting to see what what folks have to say.

Several years back ALPA recommended taking a pass on the annuity for the wife and instead spend the $800/mo. on a big life insurance policy.
I’ve looked at insurance option and also asked questions. General answer seemed to be take less than the full payout and delay benefits by a year and then your monthly payout is much closer to the full payout.
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You want to optimize retirement? Don’t be so quick next time in championing a dog of a contract.
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You want to optimize retirement? Don’t be so quick next time in championing a dog of a contract.
Right on!!!
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You want to optimize retirement? Don’t be so quick next time in championing a dog of a contract.
+1 .................
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Good question ... it'll be interesting to see what what folks have to say.

Several years back ALPA recommended taking a pass on the annuity for the wife and instead spend the $800/mo. on a big life insurance policy.
I have heard this too, but when I checked on a 1 million dollar universal policy with a 'regular' (non-preferred) health rating for a 64 year old non-smoker, the cost was between 2 and 3 thousand a month (Pru, Lincoln Financial, Transamerica, AG, etc.). I guess you could roll the dice on a 20-year level term policy and hope he/she (being politically correct and all) does not outlive it, then the $800 a month is possible.

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Don’t be so quick next time in championing a dog of a contract.
Yeah, we got it rough.
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I have heard this too, but when I checked on a 1 million dollar universal policy with a 'regular' (non-preferred) health rating for a 64 year old non-smoker, the cost was between 2 and 3 thousand a month (Pru, Lincoln Financial, Transamerica, AG, etc.). I guess you could roll the dice on a 20-year level term policy and hope he/she (being politically correct and all) does not outlive it, then the $800 a month is possible.
Universal policy? Does anyone actually even purchase those anymore? Pretty sure people are recommending to buy a level term policy. And if they do outlive it, they are still getting pension payouts. I would hope that people will have paid off their mortgages and saved some money by that time. People's 401K's are hopefully pretty healthy by then, and many spouses have their own retirement funds.

Saying he/she is being politically correct? As surprising as it might be to you, there actually are some females on this forum, with male spouses. Referring to he/she is just being more accurate.
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You want to optimize retirement? Don’t be so quick next time in championing a dog of a contract.
Bingo.

But more importantly, min-run it to 58 and then bail. The company HATES guys like that, and with good reason. Check the actuarial tables, those guys collect a lot more pension checks than the guy who’s burns it at both ends all the way to 60+
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