But they can go as low as 3200 TT with 1100 TPIC, no LCA. It just really depends on everything else in your resume. Fedex truly hires well-rounded candidates with volunteer work, higher GPAs, etc.

Where would you put volunteer work on the application?

I am not familiar with the new application process. Does it allow you to upload a resume. The frustration with the new application is resounding.

I included volunteer work under my resume.

Did anyone happen to notice the 7 Jan new hire class picture? Interesting "new hire" on the far right. :eek:

Help me out here, I fail to see why all the outrage. This was the case at my last company as well and doesn’t seem odd to me. So long as he pays 1.95% I’d rather have a VP that’s on the seniority list and has a vested interest in the success of the pilot group than one who is not.

You help me out first. Did I express outrage? I made mention of the event and said it was interesting. Why would anyone be outraged over it?

I'm only paying 1.9%.

I wanna know when he took the COG test and the SBI. Is he on probation now? Will he have to go through the 6-month probation review?

We've never had a non-seniority number holding pilot in his position, and I don't fancy the idea of handing out seniority numbers like candy. Let's wait and see what happens when he decides he wants to be a wide-body captain. :cool:


Please explain to me how his cute trick gives him any vested interest in us. It won't affect his compensation, and he'll still be on the other side of the table during CBA negotiations. Pretending to be a line pilot won't change a thing, other than fooling the naive.






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For the record his seniority number coincides with his Jan 7 start date.

the litmus test will be at peak when he is or isn’t night hub turning. You hear that, champ? You and me with two a.m. legs out and two in for an entire month. Let’s see how that new-hire smile holds up.

As long as all the other seniority holding management/tech/training seagulls are there too. The company has a legion of them.

Capt Zero used to fly disputed pairings...and good on him for doing so.

But I ran into him in SEA while he was flying one of the more onerous ones. I expressed surprise at seeing him, and after he pontificated that the DP wasn’t that bad.
I told him, with all due respect, that I thought it likely the load goes a bit smoother for the SCP and flying One trip a month in good weather is a lot different than week of flying.

With all due respect to TL...he’s not going to have an inkling of a clue unless he’s operating on the line a whole lot more than I expect he will.

On the other hand, bet it’ll be a great kilt picture one day

He would deadhead into a disputed pairing "in progress" and fly the offensive portion, having given himself a good rest before flying the nasty, onerous part.
Sometimes a sequence doesn't seem as bad if it doesn't follow a min rest that followed a max-duty, 3-leg hubturn night plagued with weather delays and 2 de-icing/anti-icing evolutions. Starting fresh ain't quite the same.






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You are missing the point. He was hired as a manager, and then years later given a seniority number.

If you don't see the potential problems of the company hiring managers first, and then giving them a seniority number so that they can fly revenue flights, talk to the UPS pilots.

The proverbial camel's nose is under the tent!:(

The UPS NURPs aren’t on the seniority list and are hired directly as LCAs and supervisors. It’s not exactly the same as what is happening here.

-UA

That is true, but what is to prevent the company from making these managers captains and using them the same as UPS uses the NURPs.

Edit:

The contract has a section about pilots transferring to management, not the other way around.

What contractual restriction on who the company can hire would you like to see in CBA 202X.

There is language about management pilots returning to the line.

UA

He wasn't hired as a line pilot, he was hired as a manager. How would he return to the line if he was never hired to the line?

Oh yeah, I forgot, the company always follows what we think the intent of the contract is!:rolleyes:

ALPA seat on the screening panel / hiring board

Preferential hiring for ALPA furloughees ...

Restore Pilot Recommendations which actually matter (Why do they care what I think about probationary pilots when they don't care who I want them to interview?)

Abolish extracontracual requirements placed on probationary pilots. Pilot Evaluations, 6-month checkups, exit interviews ... all made up and imposed on new guys under threat of being fired without cause.

Reduce probation period to original length - 0 days

How'm I doin' so far?






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This exact situation occurred when I was a new hire. A manager was in my class. He completed training and was line qualified but remained in his management role. He has since left his management job and is flying the line and I believe working on a few projects.

-UA

No problem with any of those. Which one would have prevented the current tragedy?

I wonder if he had as much trouble with the new pilot application webpage as all the others seeking employment here are currently having.

Really???

According to the union, this has never happened before. Who was the manager? What was his management job?

Don't take this the wrong way, but either you or the union doesn't know what they are talking about.

The first, perhaps.

Who called it a tragedy? Oh, wait, was that you being sarcastic?


Let me ask you this: Nothing prevents the VP of Flight Ops from sitting through a Basic Indoctrination Class, and he can go through any Initial Training Course and get any type rating he wants. So why does he need a seniority number? What does that get him that management status doesn't?






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I can get you his email if you want to ask him.

for one, he gets a job if someone up the chain relieves him of his present duties.

For another, he can actually fly an airplane.


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Street Cred.😎

So when did he interview? Who was on his panel? When did he fly last? Doe he have 100 hrs in the last year, or 200 hrs, or more? Did he have any PE’s? Where did he rank on the “point program”? Too many questions, and a waste of a seniority slot, cause he is never going to fly the line. He just wants to be able to pdo bump somebody on a milk run during the day with some lca so he might be able to sit in the left seat. He is not a line pilot, and never will be. Go back to Southwest, you poser.

Remind us all again what you're trying to contribute to this conversation. :confused: :rolleyes:


I've already got his e-mail, thankyouverymuch. Since you obviously don't have a good answer, why don't YOU ask him the next time you're gobbling his pizza. ;)






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Sorry to interrupt your whine fest.

Just trying to find out why this bothers you all so much. And why the sniping. The company has always hired who they wanted to hire, and at least in this case, he meets the stated mins. That has not always been the case, has it? It is their dime. Is it Capitalism you really hate? He didn’t take a seniority number, if he doesn’t pull his share of line trips they will just have to hire another line guy, gal or zhe to pickup the slack. I suspect this is just a chance for him to get a kilt. Maybe the Feds had something to do with it. Perhaps Fred woke up one morning and said why ain’t you on the seniority list? Or perhaps there is a lock out in our future and they want to be able to move the Golden 757. As long as the check clears and the company doesn’t violate the CBA (thus protecting seniority) it is not really my business or skin off my backside.

For the record, I asked a serious question and you replied with some fine proposals, but failed to answer the question. What can we do as a union to keep the company from hiring whoever they desire? Get back to me when you have some more snark. Much to my and likely his chagrin, I agree with anthrax, it just gives him a place to go if this chief pilot gig doesn’t work out in a couple of years.

Alas I don’t get to Mem too often, but I admit to eating 2 slices of pizza on two occasions. Do chicken wings count? Certainly never while the contract was negotiable. I also use the sleep rooms, but I generally draw the line at eating the cereal out of the company provided catering.

According to the contract, in order to fly revenue flights, you have to be on the seniority list.

If you are on the seniority list, you are required to pay union dues/maintenance fees. I asked the union if he was going to pay 1.9% of his salary to the union, and the answer I got was "I sure hope he does." I asked why he wouldn't if all pilots on the seniority list were required to and the answer I got was they weren't sure if they could require him to because he was hired as a manager first.

As Tony stated before, if the company decided to furlough this summer, do you think that TL would be on the furlough list? Do you think he would fly while pilots senior to him were on furlough?

We had a USAir pilot as a manager with a last name starting with G. The company wanted him to be able to fly revenue flights, but the union somehow blocked it. I guess Mr. G should have sprung for pizzas.:eek:

If he does not pay his 1.9% we should grieve it.

Yeah, that will work...:rolleyes:

No, he does not.

Repeat, he does NOT meet the minimums.

He does NOT meet the recency of experience requirement that is keeping, for example, a very good friend of mine from being considered.

But for that little detail, my friend might have that seniority number.





I've never used the Ignore feature before, but you're making me think about it. If your only interest is stirring the pot, I'm over that.






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Please review and affirm that you meet the following qualifications:

Do you have a commercial Pilot Certificate with Multi-engine and Instrument rating (without limitations)?

Do you have a current ATP Certificate?

Do you have the ability to pass FAA mandated drug screen?

Do you meet requirements for and currently hold First Class Medical certification or a Military Flight Physical?

Do you have 20/20 correctable vision?

Do you possess a Bachelor's Degree from an accredited college or university?

Are you legally authorized to work in the U.S.?

Are you eligible for rapid visa issuance, issued by offices in the United States to fly to any FedEx Express international destination?

Are you eligible for issuance of U.S. Security Clearance?

Are you eligible to work in the United States now and in the future without requiring sponsorship for employment such as H-1B visa status?

Do you have at least 1500 hours total fixed-wing time as PIC or SIC in multi-engine turbo-prop or jet A/C or combination thereof.

Are your certificates and ratings issued by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration?

Couldn’t admit you were wrong about sleep rooms (who was the pot stirrer that went back three years for one of my posts?). Won’t admit you are wrong now. The chief pilot getting a line number is not preventing your friend from getting hired. I asked a simple question of someone else. You inserted yourself into it with out answering the question. Before you ignore me, take another shot at the question, what should we put in the CBA that would prevent the company from hiring the current chief pilot?

Hey, Leo,

What is FedEx's recency of experience requirement?


I know. I visited Cindy Sartain's office. Despite the warning on the door, "Testing in Progress" at 4PM, I dared to enter (and found nobody in the office taking tests) to ask what a person must do to meet the recency of experience requirement. She barely looked away from her computer screen to even acknowledge my presence.

No surprise, really. She left her paralegal job from The Company's "Negotiating Team" to take the recruiting job. The pilot recruiter is anything but a pilot friend.






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Asked and answered. Review my first response. Engage thinking part of brain.






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I wasn't wrong at all. You voted for a concession and say it's not a big deal.

In fact, it's still a big deal.






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