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Old 12-06-2018, 02:45 PM   #1  
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Default Anyone know about this?Is FedEx this ruthless

Popped up on Facebook.

For all my pilot friends: Heads Up! Pay close attention to what you are doing. It’s their party and they set the rules.

So how IMPORTANT are the details on your application? Extremely Important!! I received permission to share this hoping to keep anybody from having to experience this.

”Hello XXX, I wanted to say hello and reach out to share a very very disappointing experience I had with FEDEX. A little feedback,I joined FEDEX on the MD. My background ex B777 captain for one of the Middle East carriers. Long story short, right b4 Man V, I get pull off of training. I was not given a reason other than a phone number to call a union rep. Again to make a long story short, union rep mentioned FEDEX legal was accusing me of failing to disclose information. To the best of my knowledge I had disclosed everything. The 2 issues in question where 2 disciplinary letters from my previous Middle East employer. The way I understood that particular question I mistakenly relate it to an aircraft accident or incident. Sadly the union rep said I could dispute the issue but legal was ready to fire me even with any explanation I could provide. The best choice I had was to resign. So without any choice I resigned. I never received an email nor a phone call from any manager to give me an opportunity to provide my feedback. Basically I was thrown out to the dogs. Please note this was just a day b4 Thanks Giving. I left a very lucrative 777 captain position with generous benefits including health insurance.

What hurts the most was the fact my family needs the health insurance specially my wife which she’s been diagnosed with lymphoma a form of cancer.

This has been beyond believable, an extremely disappointing experience.

FedEx was the biggest disappointment of my entire career to say the least.

My apologies for the lengthy message. I trust you can provide some personal guidance in hopes.....”

In my opinion after talking to the individual I walked away with the thought it could have happened to anybody. One item had to do with a non flying safety report filed as a result of a non flying crew members actions in which resulted from all the crew members having a letter in their file. The other had to do with a hotel manager complaining that the crew member was rude when they disclosed that their room was a mess, dirty and uninhabitable.

I share these so that you understand the severity of disclosing everything. When this crew member was pulled from the sim several days before Thanksgivings he had no idea what was coming. There wasn’t a single phone call made or the ability to explain the misunderstanding.

The statement on the applications that you sign “To the best of my knowledge” has no wiggle room for some of these airlines.

Please let’s not turn this into a bashing session. I just want you to be aware of what’s going on in the big leagues.
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:15 PM   #2  
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What's the problem? If you don't disclose, you'll find yourself out the door pronto.
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:47 PM   #3  
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C’mon. this guy obviously knew he had these letters in his file and choose to withhold them. had he disclosed them fedex wouldn’t have invited him for an interview. fdx did their homework and righted a wrong.
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:05 PM   #4  
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had he disclosed them fedex wouldn’t have invited him for an interview. fdx did their homework and righted a wrong.
Really? In this environment, I'm not as certain as you are that two minor disciplinary letters would have meant no invite.
I also don't know exactly what the question was he didn't answer correctly. Does anyone know what that question on the app actually asks? Kind of difficult to form an opinion without knowing the specific wording of all related questions on the app.

But to the OP - yes. FedEx legal is ruthless and there is zero wiggle room when it comes to a perceived integrity issue.
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:45 PM   #5  
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Really? In this environment, I'm not as certain as you are that two minor disciplinary letters would have meant no invite.
I also don't know exactly what the question was he didn't answer correctly. Does anyone know what that question on the app actually asks? Kind of difficult to form an opinion without knowing the specific wording of all related questions on the app.

But to the OP - yes. FedEx legal is ruthless and there is zero wiggle room when it comes to a perceived integrity issue.
maybe fdx would’ve called had they known, and the lawyers argued the omission to be an integrity violation. either way, issues were at hand.
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:29 PM   #6  
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had he disclosed them fedex wouldn’t have invited him for an interview. fdx did their homework and righted a wrong.
There are plenty of guys that FX has both interviewed and hired with much more substantial discipline on file from their previous employers.

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Does anyone know what that question on the app actually asks? Kind of difficult to form an opinion without knowing the specific wording of all related questions on the app.
The application (at least before the move to the current website, it was Question #20 for those following along at home) used to ask:

"Have you ever received formal discipline from your employer?"

Seems pretty clear-cut to me.

There were other questions that addressed accidents and incidents, formerly questions #13 and #14.

I don't see how the guy quoted in the original post could have had uncertainty about how to answer that question.

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Old 12-06-2018, 05:39 PM   #7  
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Maybe the lesson here is don't fly for the ME3? Only getting one side of the story here but I get how these two instances might be something you wouldn't think to include in an application, depending of course on the wording of the questions and the specific details of how these instances were handled, which we don't have. I'm all about being brutally honest on your application, but the onus is also on FedEx to ask the right questions.

Edit after seeing Hacker's post - if that's the question he saw, and he got some notice that formal discipline was taken (which seems to be the case) then yeah, bad on him.
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Old 12-07-2018, 02:17 AM   #8  
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"Have you ever received formal discipline from your employer?"

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... 2 disciplinary letters from my previous Middle East employer ...
I don't see the confusion... or how this person could think that they were only asking about aircraft accidents or incidents.

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Maybe the lesson here is don't fly for the ME3?
This too. It's pretty well known that they seem to mete out "discipline" for the smallest infractions.
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On day one of indoc, they used to say, "if you lie to the company, you will be fired". Same thing for cheating on a travel claim.

If you don't lie, or answer questions untruthfully, you probably won't get fired.

It would have been better to disclose the letters and when asked in the interview, give your side of the story. Of course, it is too late for that now.

Remember, if you are hired, you are on probation for a year, and can be fired during that year and the union pretty much can't do anything to help you.

The lesson learned is to answer all questions truthfully.

I am sorry it was such a hard lesson, but perhaps someone else can learn from it.
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Old 12-07-2018, 03:31 AM   #10  
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This is certainly unfortunate, but also smells of “there might be more to the story here”.
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