StarClipper

We didn’t try, the union sold the TA to the crew force targeting a particular group of pilots. They timed the role out of the TA, just look at the signing date. They sign the worst contract I’ve seen right before the start of peak. If they had negotiated for one more month, the company would have started to feel the effect during peak. So don’t say we tried, the company drew a line in the sand and the union role over.

TonyC

It's not frozen now.



Honestly, absolutely.

Our worst enemy right now is pilots' defeatest attitudes.






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golfandfly

Vote yes? Are you kidding me? I’m on record here for saying this was a crap deal....

Contrary to popular belief, we did get targeted A fund increases for some in 2006 (multiplier). If you’d spend a minute to read the contract, you’d know that. 28.B.4, if you can find it. So, I guess it worked out for some. Not insanely higher, but some got a $143k retirement vs 130k.

So, it’s possible. How about looking into a flat dollar plan like UPS? Significantly higher B fund (higher percentage and/or cash over cap). Profit sharing? Any of these could add to our retirement without scrapping our A plan.

Noworkallplay

If the group decides to go your path Tony I’m ready, willing and able to stick my foot in the sand in 2021 with you for gains on our current structure. The problem is that history doesn’t serve us well. We can have all the same protections in a different plan with the ability for it to grow in the new proposal. We will find out this next year what the group wants.

Noworkallplay

Yeh only “some” got a bump. That’s the problem with our me me me attitude at this company. I got mine in a side letter, so pound sand to the rest of you attitude. We need to look at something, like this new proposal, that benefits everyone. Oh wait, we have to many private contractors to think of the group as a whole.

golfandfly

The new plan is a turd. Flush it and move on...

Flying Boxes

Convert the entire A Fund over to the VBP...Then WE HAVE THE SAME PLAN.

If we freeze the A Fund, then some have a risk free 130K plus the VBP. (with is intended to be retro active to those with more than 25 YOS)

While the under 25 have a reduced guarantee A Fund. And get to HOPE it at least matches the current A Fund obligation we were hired under.

pinseeker

All the same protections huh? As I write this, the DOW is less than 50 points from closing down 9% for the year. Yeah, there is still a week to go, but the momentum isn't to the higher side. Given that 9% down and the fact that the VB plan caps earnings at the IRS earnings limits, if this VB plan had been in place years ago and a pilot thought that they were going to retire this year with a $150K retirement when the year started, right now they are looking at a retirement of less than $130K based on the market closing down 9% for the year. Tell us how that is a benefit for everyone.

What makes you think that we are going to get to vote on this next year? Are you sure that the company is willing to give us the "home run" that the MEC says they need in order to send this to the crew force? If the modeler is a "home run," then it doesn't benefit everyone. I would call it a weak ground out to first.

golfandfly

How many pancakes would we have this year?

pinseeker

Plenty. They would just be hard, cold and dry, no butter or syrup. Enjoy!!