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Old 02-21-2021, 05:24 PM   #731  
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I have no idea where you're getting the 428 number, but any employee can see how many current trunk aircraft we operate.
The 2020 Annual Report shows 398 Aircraft operated by FedEx pilots.

I have no idea where that’s listed on PFC.
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Back on topic...anyone know if the latest class was canceled due to the ice storm/water issues?
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You can also look up the aircraft breakdown in the quarterly report filed with the sec.
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Old 02-21-2021, 08:14 PM   #734  
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Back on topic...anyone know if the latest class was canceled due to the ice storm/water issues?
Feb 18 class was rescheduled to Feb 22 due to WX.
4 ANC 777
6 ANC MD11
3 MEM 767
2 IND 767
1 OAK 767
5 MEM 300
5 MEM 757

Bottom 6 were ANC MD11...
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Well, to start:

FedEx has ~428 Aircraft in their main fleet
vs
UPS has ~277 Aircraft in their main fleet

FedEx IntraAsia Destinations:
https://www.airlineroutemaps.com/map...ific/Guangzhou
(we don’t fly Cebu anymore and I don’t know about the NZ stuff, otherwise the map is correct)
Fedex most definitely does more intra Asian flying. Fedex does not have 428 mainline planes. UPS has close to 290 airplanes. Fedex is an airline that added trucks. UPS is a trucking company that added airplanes. The reason Fedex has a lot more long weekend layovers is because they still fly much of their packages over the weekend. UPS figured out long ago that trucking packages over the weekend was more effective, Fedex probably not too far behind now that they are focusing their attention towards Ground.

Fedex is a great company, UPS is a great company. Fedex places high value in intra Asian flying. UPS on the surface seems less so. Fedex tied their long haul, heavy loads to the Triple, UPS to the 74. When all orders are fulfilled, Fedex will have about 20 more Triples than UPS 74’s. UPS 74’s can carry almost 90,000 lbs more payload than Triple-F, so UPS seems focused on more with less, as opposed to more frequency and less volume for Fedex. Simply different philosophies.

When Fred passes, all bets are off. Fedex, while a publicly traded company, is very much Fred, still. UPS is not one person, and they still value their trucking mentality.

Among this industry, there are many who think Fedex will change when Fred departs. UPS will not change, they will always sweat the assets, view the airline as a “necessary evil”. I also see Fedex being more “business pragmatic” when Fred departs. Fedex treats their pilots like aviation professionals, while UPS treats theirs like truckers. But, UPS pilots knows the knife is coming from the front, prepare accordingly. For the Fedex pilots, the knife seems to be coming from the back while stroking their egos.

Both excellent jobs, simply very different mentalities. Kind of like Air Force vs Marine Core 😬.
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Fedex most definitely does more intra Asian flying. Fedex does not have 428 mainline planes. UPS has close to 290 airplanes. Fedex is an airline that added trucks. UPS is a trucking company that added airplanes. The reason Fedex has a lot more long weekend layovers is because they still fly much of their packages over the weekend. UPS figured out long ago that trucking packages over the weekend was more effective, Fedex probably not too far behind now that they are focusing their attention towards Ground.

Fedex is a great company, UPS is a great company. Fedex places high value in intra Asian flying. UPS on the surface seems less so. Fedex tied their long haul, heavy loads to the Triple, UPS to the 74. When all orders are fulfilled, Fedex will have about 20 more Triples than UPS 74’s. UPS 74’s can carry almost 90,000 lbs more payload than Triple-F, so UPS seems focused on more with less, as opposed to more frequency and less volume for Fedex. Simply different philosophies.

When Fred passes, all bets are off. Fedex, while a publicly traded company, is very much Fred, still. UPS is not one person, and they still value their trucking mentality.

Among this industry, there are many who think Fedex will change when Fred departs. UPS will not change, they will always sweat the assets, view the airline as a “necessary evil”. I also see Fedex being more “business pragmatic” when Fred departs. Fedex treats their pilots like aviation professionals, while UPS treats theirs like truckers. But, UPS pilots knows the knife is coming from the front, prepare accordingly. For the Fedex pilots, the knife seems to be coming from the back while stroking their egos.

Both excellent jobs, simply very different mentalities. Kind of like Air Force vs Marine Core [emoji51].

Seems like his progeny have been in the process of being groomed for decades to take over when he decides to leave. And when he passes, his FedEx assets will pass to them as well. But who knows? Maybe they’ll decide to cash out.
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