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Old 02-01-2019, 11:32 AM
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Reading the notes in FOX related to allowable expenses related to recurrent training. Is anyone (everyone??) who commutes in for recurrent and doesn't have a car there, using taxis/Uber to get from training to hotel and or airport? Looks to me as if this is fully expense able and beats renting a car or counting on one of the nearby hotels to provide transportation to and from Airways. Only issue I see is a possible problem getting a pickup from training.
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Old 02-01-2019, 11:41 AM
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I wouldn't count on it being reimbursed. I'm not familiar with the notes you are talking about, but I would think that they are referring to training outside of your domicile. If you are based in Memphis, then transportation in Memphis is on your dime, unless you are assigned a hotel standby.
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Years ago I tried that and the money was not reimbursed. "Deviation expenses are not reimbursable in domicile" or something to that effect was the response on my expense report. FWIW
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You guys are bumming me. Its not how the notes on the FOX pages read, but I can't find anything in the contract to refute what you're saying.
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Put some purple shorts/shirt and your avatar and maybe it will happen.. lol..
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Commuting to/from domicile for valid event (trip, training, etc) - allowable deviation expense (and maybe taxable)
Once in domicile, well, that says it all. You are in domicile.
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Commuting to/from domicile for valid event (trip, training, etc) - allowable deviation expense (and maybe taxable)
Once in domicile, well, that says it all. You are in domicile.


^^^ this

You can expense g/t at home to get to the airport or Fedex ramp, airline tickets to MEM, etc. but once in MEM yer on yer own.


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By the contract: Pilots are permitted to use surface transportation between "commercial locations", or between a "residence and a field airport/operations area". Field airport and operations area are not defined in the contract.

The only limitation is that you cannot expense transpo between any location and your "Base" - which is defined as the "Airport".

The huge problem here: as long as you do not involve the actual airport property....you are legal by the contract. The limitation is with the Expense Reporting software that will not let us use any identifier other than MEM. How far away from MEM must you be to file an expense?

I am legal to travel from my home to the Olive Branch airport and expense the cost....but I am limited by the software that has no code for Olive Branch. If I am in Montana, and travel to a small local airport....I just pick a code airport that is "closest" and get reimbursed all day long.

The radius of acceptable distance to define your "domicile/base" is half way to the next closest airfield in the Expense Report filing system. This is severely limiting our contractually guaranteed usage of bank funds.

The union should address this with the company to allow pilots to exercise the contract language as written. Any location outside the property lines of the actual airport are fair game - we just need a proper code when filing.
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The huge problem here: as long as you do not involve the actual airport property....you are legal by the contract. The limitation is with the Expense Reporting software that will not let us use any identifier other than MEM. How far away from MEM must you be to file an expense?

I am legal to travel from my home to the Olive Branch airport and expense the cost....but I am limited by the software that has no code for Olive Branch. If I am in Montana, and travel to a small local airport....I just pick a code airport that is "closest" and get reimbursed all day long.

The union should address this with the company to allow pilots to exercise the contract language as written. Any location outside the property lines of the actual airport are fair game - we just need a proper code when filing.
Nice thought but this is a huge stretch, IMO.
First, there is no location “code” restricted by the expense software when one inputs a GT expense. The only expenses that have specific location codes pre-set in a pull down menu are hotels. The GT expense is tied to a particular segment of a trip, R-day or training event. After that, an origin/destination combo along with IDs of acceptable forms of origin and destination in pull downs. The former are free type fields you can put any three characters into. You want to put the 3-letter ID for Olive Branch in? What’s stopping you? It either goes in the blank field for origin or destination.

The bottom line is most of us do recurrent in our domicile. Trying to claim the airport boundary somehow defines our domicile is your loose interpretation of a rather vague portion of the CBA. We have sims and training facilities that are clearly part of the MEM domicile that aren’t within the airport boundary. After years of being unable to expense GT related to training or revenue activities in Memphis, I seriously doubt we’re suddenly going to be able to claim otherwise. There’s no way anyone is going to buy the argument that we should be able to get an Uber to the sim building for recurrent because it’s off airport and therefore not in our domicile.

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I got bit by this. Commuted into MEM for hotel STBY, called upon arrival and car appeared outside to take me to the designated hotel. Each time I was called in for something a car service was provided. Then, I had to depart for home in EMG status and got an Uber to the airport to make the soonest flight home. The charge was denied due to ground transportation not being allowed in base.

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