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Old 04-24-2019, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kronan View Post
Not to worry, the new guys are going to eliminate SUB entirely.
Makeup Banks
Seat Locks
Deviation Banks
R24 HSBY
Seat Bids will be done per Industry Standard
1.5 Hour Reserve Call out will be gone and Reserve changed to Industry Standard
Airport STBY gone as a Reserve assignment.
All Intercontinental DHs will be in First Class or the pairing will be rebuilt to accommodate

What else am I missing?
I’m glad we’ve got you out there. Makes the rest of us seem reasonable. Improving some of these items shouldn’t be so controversial.

Keep in mind these “new guys” who pays dues just like you will be voting on the same contract as you.

1. Sub is another term for recovery obligation. Most carriers have it. Ours is so complicated that simply using the wrong term with scheduling can potentially cost the pilot a lot of money.
The process should be simplified and the software should be coded to give the pilot a clearer picture. Choice A will give you X number of credit hours and X obligation - Choice B will give you X number of credit hours. Simple, straightforward. Not the case right now. It’s a complicated flow chart and the wrong guess at 3 AM could hose you.

2. Makeup banks are unique to Purple as far as I know. Some would like to see them gone. Many understand them once their purpose is explained. It’s more about initial confusion than wanting them to go away. I’m not on a fleet where there are irregularities with trip assignments but some complain about PNP. That’s certainly their prerogative if it’s intent isn’t being fulfilled.

3. Seat locks, we don’t have seat locks. We have bid award restrictions. They are the most punitive in the industry and it’s currently costing pilots who got caught up in it lots of money. I don’t want to air a figure but PM me and I’ll be glad to tell you what it is costing me. There is a QOL issue which you seem to have no interest in discussing also. I find it disconcerting to stare down the barrel of 3 commutes next month to do AM hub turns while pilots hired years after me are doing single departure lines on the airplane I was never given a chance to bid. More of that coming. Unfortunately, you and many others haven't taken the time to see how that section of the contract actually works. Also, please reference another carrier with a 60 month bid restriction in their contract.

4. Deviation Banks: not sure the issue here. On the months when I do have DH’s I’ve been able to work with bank. I’m not sure the complaint you’re referring to.

5. R24 HSBY: you bid R24 you get HSBY. I think it leads to some less than reasonable assignments but it is what it is. I think a compromise would be an R12 or something with slightly more use to the company without having to plan a full 24 hours out. I would have to see polling data to see how many actually have an issue with it. I’ve bid R24 with mixed results and sat HSBY with mixed results. Personally, I don’t really mind sitting HSBY. Locals hate it I’m guessing.

6. Seat bids: see 3 above. You don’t understand how it works. I’ve seen you incorrectly argue your point, you don’t get it. This system is a failure as the company uses annual MOABs to manipulate seat movement to their liking (which is contractually allowed) at the cost of seniority abrogation, income to line pilots, and QOL.

7. Worst reserve in the industry. That’s the nature of our business and the product we offer. The demands put on us relative to others should be reflected in other gains.

8. See 7 above. I’ve never had an issue with ASBY as again it reflects the demands of the product we offer our customers.

9. DH’s should be booked as required contractually. That doesn’t seem to be happening right now. I believe it’s being worked on via CE. Not sure. I’m not as familiar as I’ve had one intercontinental ever.

Your hysteria is driven by either ego or some other disdain for your fellow pilot. I’m not sure which, it’s disappointing.

Wanting to apply contractual improvements that would be available to all line pilots seems to be something you aren’t interested in. Constructive criticism is the engine that runs all successful operations.

I love working for Purple, we have in my opinion the most talented pilot group in the world. There is room to improve our contract. You aren’t interested in that. We get it.

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Old 04-24-2019, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kronan View Post
Not to worry, the new guys are going to eliminate SUB entirely.
Makeup Banks
Seat Locks
Deviation Banks
R24 HSBY
Seat Bids will be done per Industry Standard
1.5 Hour Reserve Call out will be gone and Reserve changed to Industry Standard
Airport STBY gone as a Reserve assignment.
All Intercontinental DHs will be in First Class or the pairing will be rebuilt to accommodate

What else am I missing?
Why get rid of Makeup Banks?

Pilots are their own worst enemy. It will be no time before we’re all flying 90 hours of block per month for 90 hours of pay. Keeping the bank is a valuable staffing guarantee for the pilot group in my opinion.
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by abides View Post
Why get rid of Makeup Banks?

Pilots are their own worst enemy. It will be no time before we’re all flying 90 hours of block per month for 90 hours of pay. Keeping the bank is a valuable staffing guarantee for the pilot group in my opinion.
The concept of a makeup bank is new to most new hires. I think a lot of new hires are confused by it as they try to pick up open time during first year pay to supplement income. Most I’ve talked to understand it’s purpose, which is exactly what you described, and accept it as a good concept.

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Old 04-24-2019, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by abides View Post
Why get rid of Makeup Banks?

Pilots are their own worst enemy. It will be no time before we’re all flying 90 hours of block per month for 90 hours of pay. Keeping the bank is a valuable staffing guarantee for the pilot group in my opinion.
Really? So what’s your opinion on the new VB Plan which is going to promote fly till you die amongst the crew force.
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper View Post
Really? So what’s your opinion on the new VB Plan which is going to promote fly till you die amongst the crew force.
I don’t approve of working myself to death. So I won’t be doing that or supporting it. Years of service is a fine way to establish pension benifits. I don’t know much about it, but I will carefully review the details and weigh heavily my preference to maintain the status quo staffing model and how the actions of the crew force in conjunction with new VB structures may impact QOL.

We should all be weary of changes that improve staffing efficiency, it only has one outcome; we work more, FedEx makes more money.
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:44 AM
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If the VB plan ever passes, there will be no QoL improvements. They will erode in every contract. 51-53% of pilots (across the entire industry) already place their vote based primarily on pay rates. We talk about how that percentage got us this contract. Imagine what the vote will be like when they’re told, “you can hold out if you want for QoL issues, but it may be 1-2 years. Not only will you not have money in your pocket, but that retirement modeler you counted on didn’t account for years without raises so your retirement plan will be hosed too if you don’t accept this contract now!” Think 51% will be ready and willing to vote for a crappy contract that provides a raise and keeps their new VB plan on track? I certainly do.


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Old 04-25-2019, 04:46 AM
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3. Seat locks, we don’t have seat locks. We have bid award restrictions. They are the most punitive in the industry and it’s currently costing pilots who got caught up in it lots of money. I don’t want to air a figure but PM me and I’ll be glad to tell you what it is costing me. There is a QOL issue which you seem to have no interest in discussing also. I find it disconcerting to stare down the barrel of 3 commutes next month to do AM hub turns while pilots hired years after me are doing single departure lines on the airplane I was never given a chance to bid. More of that coming. Unfortunately, you and many others haven't taken the time to see how that section of the contract actually works. Also, please reference another carrier with a 60 month bid restriction in their contract.


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When we went to the new system. All downward\lateral bid award restrictions were set at 0 (24.F.1 Note)
I could certainly be mistaken, but I think every airplane was eligible for bidding in 18-01 as well as 19-01.

FDA bids to\from aren't considered downward lateral\bids.

To get to 60 months needs to get to 4th downward\lateral bid. So, 76 FO to Airbus FO to MD 11 FO to 777 FO only gets you 3. And one would imagine, next bid would be to the Captain seat. And, not usually a lot of lateral bids there.

Previous Contract was a simpler 24 months post activation. And I highly doubt this was a CBA provision that we were seeking, but as is the case with many things a result of something the company desired to minimize people chasing type ratings.

And the bid award restrictions are waiveable to 0. One of the things FedEx Mgt is good at is actually waiving things people have good reasons for. Such as a life change that makes the current seat assignment difficult, but a downward\lateral bid would result in better QOL for an individual pilot.
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Old 04-25-2019, 04:48 AM
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because the old guys didn’t have the will to do so.
Looking forward to retiring under this wonderful new CBA to come.

I'll be simply working my line, picketing, attending Union meetings all in an effort to support the new guys
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Looking forward to retiring under this wonderful new CBA to come.

I'll be simply working my line, picketing, attending Union meetings all in an effort to support the new guys
Yeah after you guys sold this last POS to the crew force. And you’re still thinking it’s great because FedEx will never settle for improving the contract.
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Originally Posted by kronan View Post
When we went to the new system. All downward\lateral bid award restrictions were set at 0 (24.F.1 Note)
I could certainly be mistaken, but I think every airplane was eligible for bidding in 18-01 as well as 19-01.

FDA bids to\from aren't considered downward lateral\bids.

To get to 60 months needs to get to 4th downward\lateral bid. So, 76 FO to Airbus FO to MD 11 FO to 777 FO only gets you 3. And one would imagine, next bid would be to the Captain seat. And, not usually a lot of lateral bids there.

Previous Contract was a simpler 24 months post activation. And I highly doubt this was a CBA provision that we were seeking, but as is the case with many things a result of something the company desired to minimize people chasing type ratings.

And the bid award restrictions are waiveable to 0. One of the things FedEx Mgt is good at is actually waiving things people have good reasons for. Such as a life change that makes the current seat assignment difficult, but a downward\lateral bid would result in better QOL for an individual pilot.
New hires weren’t reset to zero.. I believe the guy/gal arguing their point is/was in a new hire seat lock.
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