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Old 04-28-2019, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by coryk View Post
Serious question... then what? Do you have a mil retirement to supplement that? Spouse? Savings?



Some people can't do that.


Fair question. It doesn’t work for everyone maybe. But the ability is there for those who can make it work. I have no other income and my savings account decreases each month whether I drop trips or not on first year pay. I can weather that until the second year though. Again, in my case it works out to a 246% investment. I would just about sell a kidney for that kind of guaranteed return.


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Old 04-28-2019, 11:05 AM
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If they don’t understand it beyond, say, month 2 then the onus is on them. I’m dropping everything that I can convince CRS to let me drop because I like making a guaranteed 246.16% rate of return on my investments. If I could drop everything and make $0 right now, I would.



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I hear you. In fact I agree with you. The makeup bank isn’t something I am personally looking to get rid of. You made my point. Most people get it when they figure it out. The only thing I would caution is that open time can be slim pickings at times so make sure you aren’t counting on it later because even with a huge make up bank there may not be trips to pick up. If you want to roll those dice have at it. Doesn’t bother me.

Kronan and his ilk are trying to distract us from the real deficiencies in the contract by tossing out these red herrings such as “they want to get rid of make up banks”. No, he just doesn’t get that some areas need work and that it’s perfectly fine to have goals and to be self reflective about the parts of the contract that are absolutely well below industry standard.

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Old 04-28-2019, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude View Post
I’m glad we’ve got you out there. Makes the rest of us seem reasonable. Improving some of these items shouldn’t be so controversial.

Keep in mind these “new guys” who pays dues just like you will be voting on the same contract as you.

1. Sub is another term for recovery obligation. Most carriers have it. Ours is so complicated that simply using the wrong term with scheduling can potentially cost the pilot a lot of money.
The process should be simplified and the software should be coded to give the pilot a clearer picture. Choice A will give you X number of credit hours and X obligation - Choice B will give you X number of credit hours. Simple, straightforward. Not the case right now. It’s a complicated flow chart and the wrong guess at 3 AM could hose you.

2. Makeup banks are unique to Purple as far as I know. Some would like to see them gone. Many understand them once their purpose is explained. It’s more about initial confusion than wanting them to go away. I’m not on a fleet where there are irregularities with trip assignments but some complain about PNP. That’s certainly their prerogative if it’s intent isn’t being fulfilled.

3. Seat locks, we don’t have seat locks. We have bid award restrictions. They are the most punitive in the industry and it’s currently costing pilots who got caught up in it lots of money. I don’t want to air a figure but PM me and I’ll be glad to tell you what it is costing me. There is a QOL issue which you seem to have no interest in discussing also. I find it disconcerting to stare down the barrel of 3 commutes next month to do AM hub turns while pilots hired years after me are doing single departure lines on the airplane I was never given a chance to bid. More of that coming. Unfortunately, you and many others haven't taken the time to see how that section of the contract actually works. Also, please reference another carrier with a 60 month bid restriction in their contract.

4. Deviation Banks: not sure the issue here. On the months when I do have DH’s I’ve been able to work with bank. I’m not sure the complaint you’re referring to.

5. R24 HSBY: you bid R24 you get HSBY. I think it leads to some less than reasonable assignments but it is what it is. I think a compromise would be an R12 or something with slightly more use to the company without having to plan a full 24 hours out. I would have to see polling data to see how many actually have an issue with it. I’ve bid R24 with mixed results and sat HSBY with mixed results. Personally, I don’t really mind sitting HSBY. Locals hate it I’m guessing.

6. Seat bids: see 3 above. You don’t understand how it works. I’ve seen you incorrectly argue your point, you don’t get it. This system is a failure as the company uses annual MOABs to manipulate seat movement to their liking (which is contractually allowed) at the cost of seniority abrogation, income to line pilots, and QOL.

7. Worst reserve in the industry. That’s the nature of our business and the product we offer. The demands put on us relative to others should be reflected in other gains.

8. See 7 above. I’ve never had an issue with ASBY as again it reflects the demands of the product we offer our customers.

9. DH’s should be booked as required contractually. That doesn’t seem to be happening right now. I believe it’s being worked on via CE. Not sure. I’m not as familiar as I’ve had one intercontinental ever.

Your hysteria is driven by either ego or some other disdain for your fellow pilot. I’m not sure which, it’s disappointing.

Wanting to apply contractual improvements that would be available to all line pilots seems to be something you aren’t interested in. Constructive criticism is the engine that runs all successful operations.

I love working for Purple, we have in my opinion the most talented pilot group in the world. There is room to improve our contract. You aren’t interested in that. We get it.

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^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^


Krone was part of the group that failed us in C2015. Yes we have a great contract and gig at FedEx. However, they refuse to admit we also have *huge* problems and they believe those problems can't be solved without the pilot group giving up something. Sad.
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Old 04-28-2019, 08:10 PM
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Looking forward to retiring under this wonderful new CBA to come.
Screenshot this post. The company will work against us but the real enemy is among us. When the next contract is negotiated and debated, remember this post.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox View Post
^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^


Krone was part of the group that failed us in C2015. Yes we have a great contract and gig at FedEx. However, they refuse to admit we also have *huge* problems and they believe those problems can't be solved without the pilot group giving up something. Sad.
You give me Far too much credit.

But if I've claimed our CBA is perfect and needs no improvement, should be easy for you to find a quote along those lines.

But, which is it? Do "we have a great contract and gig at FedEx" or is it nothing but Huge Problems.

There are multiple areas I've commented on as hoped for improvements in CBA 202X.

I, however, think it's unlikely FedEx is going to agree to eliminate Substitution AND still pay us override.

Currently it's pilot option to take the Pay or the Override. OR, IOW-get paid 6CHs or 9CHs for a 24 hour extension that conflicted with a 6 hour trip.

I certainly won't turn down getting paid 15CHs if we're successful at eliminating SUB and still getting overage, but I think it's unlikely.


Whatever the goals, hopes, and dreams will be for CBA 202X...I won't be one of the folks negotiating them. Will only be one of the pilots looking at the end results. Weighing the pros\cons.

I'll be one of the guys attending meetings, flying in for picketing events (even when they're on my days off and I get stuck in Memphis, unpaid for a day or two)
Flying my line, protecting min days off, using my vacation.

Til then,
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by kronan View Post
You give me Far too much credit.

But if I've claimed our CBA is perfect and needs no improvement, should be easy for you to find a quote along those lines.

But, which is it? Do "we have a great contract and gig at FedEx" or is it nothing but Huge Problems.

There are multiple areas I've commented on as hoped for improvements in CBA 202X.

I, however, think it's unlikely FedEx is going to agree to eliminate Substitution AND still pay us override.

Currently it's pilot option to take the Pay or the Override. OR, IOW-get paid 6CHs or 9CHs for a 24 hour extension that conflicted with a 6 hour trip.

I certainly won't turn down getting paid 15CHs if we're successful at eliminating SUB and still getting overage, but I think it's unlikely.


Whatever the goals, hopes, and dreams will be for CBA 202X...I won't be one of the folks negotiating them. Will only be one of the pilots looking at the end results. Weighing the pros\cons.

I'll be one of the guys attending meetings, flying in for picketing events (even when they're on my days off and I get stuck in Memphis, unpaid for a day or two)
Flying my line, protecting min days off, using my vacation.

Til then,
FYYFF
After CBA 2015, I doubt I’ll attend any meetings. I’ll be volunteering to draft trips and making as much money as I can. I turned down too many draft trips during the last contract negotiation, standing in solidarity with the union and crew force, only for the union to turn around and sell a POS contract to us without
1. A pay raise
2. Improvement to our A plan
3. Solid contractual language.

How ever they signed a SIX YEAR contract SMFH Unheard of. Implementing everything which benefit the company as soon as they could but delaying what would benefit the crew force.

Yes I’ve had and seen enough, I’m done
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper View Post
After CBA 2015, I doubt I’ll attend any meetings. I’ll be volunteering to draft trips and making as much money as I can. I turned down too many draft trips during the last contract negotiation, standing in solidarity with the union and crew force, only for the union to turn around and sell a POS contract to us without
1. A pay raise
2. Improvement to our A plan
3. Solid contractual language.

How ever they signed a SIX YEAR contract SMFH Unheard of. Implementing everything which benefit the company as soon as they could but delaying what would benefit the crew force.

Yes I’ve had and seen enough, I’m done
See ya at the folders, brother. This is how I’m going to get my 150%, unless they offer 200%.

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Old 04-30-2019, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper View Post
After CBA 2015, I doubt I’ll attend any meetings. I’ll be volunteering to draft trips and making as much money as I can. I turned down too many draft trips during the last contract negotiation, standing in solidarity with the union and crew force, only for the union to turn around and sell a POS contract to us without
1. A pay raise
2. Improvement to our A plan
3. Solid contractual language.

How ever they signed a SIX YEAR contract SMFH Unheard of. Implementing everything which benefit the company as soon as they could but delaying what would benefit the crew force.

Yes I’ve had and seen enough, I’m done
If you work here you were hired in 2015 or later. Here is a thread from 2013-14 to prove it.

FedEx Interview/New Hire Class
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 View Post
If you work here you were hired in 2015 or later. Here is a thread from 2013-14 to prove it.

FedEx Interview/New Hire Class
You’re still bent on me not working here huh? Like I’ve said before, if it makes you sleep at night have at it.
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Originally Posted by StarClipper View Post
You’re still bent on me not working here huh? Like I’ve said before, if it makes you sleep at night have at it.
Your reading comprehension is sub par. Is English your first language?
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