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Old 05-01-2019, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kronan View Post
You give me Far too much credit.

But if I've claimed our CBA is perfect and needs no improvement, should be easy for you to find a quote along those lines.

But, which is it? Do "we have a great contract and gig at FedEx" or is it nothing but Huge Problems.

There are multiple areas I've commented on as hoped for improvements in CBA 202X.
I wouldn't be the first person to accuse you of doing the company's bidding. And I won't be the last.

The 202X crap. You're setting expectations that it is going to be a long time after our amendable date. It's going to be a long time because people like you keep telling us so.

Just curious if you worked anywhere else with a union?

I see you consistently disregard or refute without evidence what others' have said the way things are at other companies. You say you always ask a buddy from your '98 class... blah blah blah ... stupid.

Our contract has great things in it. It also have things that are the industry's worst. It's both. You're trying to make it a one or the other. And doing so you undermine those who are shedding light on the parts that need fixed.

Keep setting those expectations. Keep up your bs about you flying your line yada yada yada. Keep posting those "why wouldn't I vote yes on the TA" posts on JetFlyers. I have the screenshots. It is appalling the way you acted and pushed for the TA. You singlehandedly could be responsible for the 7% that pushed it over the edge. And you flying with new hires corrupting their heads is scary. I hope they see through your bs.

You got what you wanted. More PBS and the end to involuntarily being converted during the VTO process. Worse you made jokes about PBS. Are you happy?

You gave up the best position this crew force has been in since the history of FedEx pilots. We will never get that back. And we will never get rid of the SLG.

Also, your $3.5Million spreadsheet left out the yearly interest generated from $3.5M during your hypothetical 4% drawdown. Why not ask the junior folks if they prefer 18% COC instead of a DP/B-fund? I know several who would. But we will never know. That boat has sailed and if the "pension stabilization plan" is voted in, all of our eggs will be in the stock market.
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Old 05-04-2019, 12:10 PM
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I’ve read the FCIF, decision tree and section 25, I just want to make sure I’m understanding correctly. In order to elect for option 3 (guarantee+overages+OTP), you must let them know by the start of the orogonal conflicted and dropped trip? So the 30mins after block in of original extended trip does not apply for opting for option 3?
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Old 05-05-2019, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WATRS View Post
I’ve read the FCIF, decision tree and section 25, I just want to make sure I’m understanding correctly. In order to elect for option 3 (guarantee+overages+OTP), you must let them know by the start of the original conflicted and dropped trip? So the 30mins after block in of original extended trip does not apply for opting for option 3?
That is correct. To choose OTP it must be by the showtime of a Conflicted trip.

But, in many situations, you are better off waiting until blocking in from your extended to trip to make that decision. Example, you have a trip extended 10 hours and it conflicted with a 12CH trip. The overage isn't going to equate with the value of staying in SUB and retaining that 12 CHs.
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Old 05-05-2019, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kronan View Post
That is correct. To choose OTP it must be by the showtime of a Conflicted trip.

But, in many situations, you are better off waiting until blocking in from your extended to trip to make that decision. Example, you have a trip extended 10 hours and it conflicted with a 12CH trip. The overage isn't going to equate with the value of staying in SUB and retaining that 12 CHs.
True, I guess it’s just a roll of the dice to try and get the 12CH for doing nothing or getting it at 125% to make up later.
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Old 05-05-2019, 05:19 AM
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I wouldn't be the first person to accuse you of doing the company's bidding. And I won't be the last.

The 202X crap. You're setting expectations that it is going to be a long time after our amendable date. It's going to be a long time because people like you keep telling us so.

Just curious if you worked anywhere else with a union?

I see you consistently disregard or refute without evidence what others' have said the way things are at other companies. You say you always ask a buddy from your '98 class... blah blah blah ... stupid.

Our contract has great things in it. It also have things that are the industry's worst. It's both. You're trying to make it a one or the other. And doing so you undermine those who are shedding light on the parts that need fixed.

Keep setting those expectations. Keep up your bs about you flying your line yada yada yada. Keep posting those "why wouldn't I vote yes on the TA" posts on JetFlyers. I have the screenshots. It is appalling the way you acted and pushed for the TA. You singlehandedly could be responsible for the 7% that pushed it over the edge. And you flying with new hires corrupting their heads is scary. I hope they see through your bs.

You got what you wanted. More PBS and the end to involuntarily being converted during the VTO process. Worse you made jokes about PBS. Are you happy?

You gave up the best position this crew force has been in since the history of FedEx pilots. We will never get that back. And we will never get rid of the SLG.

Also, your $3.5Million spreadsheet left out the yearly interest generated from $3.5M during your hypothetical 4% drawdown. Why not ask the junior folks if they prefer 18% COC instead of a DP/B-fund? I know several who would. But we will never know. That boat has sailed and if the "pension stabilization plan" is voted in, all of our eggs will be in the stock market.

1st job at an RLA company. Previous employment under NRLA, when I was HS\College age. Family in Teamsters, as well as SIEU. NRLA much more labor friendly.

CBA 202X. How big of an idiot are you? Current CBA becomes amendable late in 2021. While FedEx Could Open it early, that's not the FedEx Mgt I've come to "know". FedEx Could also give Mid-CBA pay raises, as has occurred in the Pax world over the past few years. But again, that's just not the FedEx I "know".
So, absolute best case it's 2022. If past history is indicative of future performance, then I'd expect Maybe a CBA for peak 2023. But more than likely 2024. Our 5 year 99 CBA was replaced in 2006 after roughly 26 months of negotiation and CBA 2015 voted in after a similar duration from our 2 year 2011 CBA.

As to the VB plan...it's invested in Stocks, just as our current A plan is. But it's STILL a Defined Benefit Plan. Which means that each and every month a Check will be coming to everyone in Retirement. A check whose value is calculated based upon a Benefit Formula. A check that, worst case, is supported by the PBGC. (Something that's a Huge cut in benefits, btw) A check that Comes for Lifetime.

Ask absolutely Any Investment advisor if they would recommend Transitioning from a Defined Benefit plan to a Defined Contribution Plan...even an 18% COC plan as you're suggesting, they'll tell you it's better to have a mix such as we have.

Don't think I'm right? Then Ask yourself why Management, out of the goodness of their hearts, made an unsolicited offer of a 16.5% COC up to 360k offer in exchange for eliminating the A plan.

Something which resulted in a Letter by former R&I folks being written, discussed on this very forum, as being adamantly opposed to even discussing switching from a DB\DC mix to a straight DC mix.
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Old 05-05-2019, 06:28 AM
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I don't know that it's important to beat people up over their decision to vote for the 2015 contract anymore. I'll bet that many of those people regret it, and will remember for the next time. While the company may wish to string this out as long as possible, the crew force will not want to wait for years, falling far behind other carriers who will have negotiated two better contracts by that point. And there's a lot of new blood around here, people who chose FedEx over other carriers, who are watching as their contracts surpass ours by a long shot.
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:45 PM
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How do we get the company to make us a deal without waiting the traditional 2 extra years?

They always drag it out so that 1) they can pay us pennies on the dollar for retro pay, and 2) people are so sick of it so they vote yes just to get it over with.

We always wait an extra 2 years, and we always get 3%. We need to change this paradigm.

We should automatically get 3% each year on the anniversary of the amendable date so we don't lose out on the retro pay, er, "signing bonus".

For the record, I voted no in 2015, and won't hesitate to do so again.

Delta voted no, and they got a better deal. It is time for us to do that as well.
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Nightflyer, I'm not sure about the answer to your question, as far as what will get the point across. Perhaps making it clear to both the company and the union that we want to negotiate early, with no procrastination, because we are far behind the power curve. We're not interested in waiting until other carriers have finished negotiating their third contract. But if we can't even get the union reps and negotiators to jump on board with this, forget about getting the company inspired. Our union should be talking about this RIGHT NOW. Not wasting time and money on a BS pension plan.

I totally agree with your post.
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Old 05-06-2019, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by WATRS View Post
I’ve read the FCIF, decision tree and section 25, I just want to make sure I’m understanding correctly. In order to elect for option 3 (guarantee+overages+OTP), you must let them know by the start of the orogonal conflicted and dropped trip? So the 30mins after block in of original extended trip does not apply for opting for option 3?
I know that's what the FCIF says, but that doesn't make since. I was recently rerouted and didn't make it back to domicile to start the next trip. It would be impossible to decline sub before 30 minutes prior to showtime because I was in the airplane.
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