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Old 05-08-2019, 09:22 PM   #11  
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I completely agree with you, I was just saying that the person involved thinks that since they were in the same "new hire class" that he must think they should all be in seniority order according to that classification. I don't think this has anything to do with the 777 bid as someone mentioned above if he was going to FDA, that's a moot point, but I'm thinking he wanted the 777 over the MD. Not sure why this is even filed as a grievance.. Must be something we are not seeing..
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Old 05-09-2019, 04:04 AM   #12  
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Actually, during age 65, 30 people junior to me were excessed into the seat I wanted to bid, so, yes. I went to Alpa for relief, and they said, "too bad, you should have bid it when you had the chance". That chance was the bid just prior to the age change, and I thought, "I'll wait one more bid", then age 65 hit. Had I known, I would have bid it.

The people in charge did not care about the abrogation of my seniority, they only cared about getting their over 60 buddies back in the left seat. The company and the union manipulated the bids to do just that. If we had not had agency shop, 50% of the FO's would have quit in protest.

The manipulation and the 30 people junior to me in my Captain's seat cost me easily $500,000 over 5 years.

This is when I really understood that Alpa is run by the people in power and their friends, and they all operate on the "I've got mine" principle.
You got that right! BS then, BS now.

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Old 05-09-2019, 05:13 AM   #13  
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You act like you donít have a choice to go to the MD. You always have the choice of going to a different carrier. If itís such a burden, itís probably a good idea. Maybe you can demand that Delta place you in the 777.

Seriously? You pick up seniority by showing a day early and you complain? Dumbest.Grievence.Ever....

Iíve been hoping the union would start enforcing the contract, but we grieve this BS?
I agree there seems to big bigger battles that are worth looking in to but based on my interaction with CE they are very timid and so there must be something to this that we arenít seeing.

That being said, this entire issue would be self solving by some contractual changes. One option would be putting the 777 in its own category. Most realize that the earning potential on the A300, 767, and MD11 are fairly similar with a slight advantage to the MD11 perhaps due to some international flying. The earning potential on the 777 is greater than the others. Being senior doesnít matter if your seniority is so unportable. Or they could just quit putting new hires in the 777 which would end this seniority abrogation.

This grievance isnít the way to fix these issues, in my opinion but obviously not ALPAís, but it highlights that pilots are frustrated with this. Iím hoping they know more than Iím seeing.

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Old 05-09-2019, 06:10 AM   #14  
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Or how about no more of this hand selected BS. Start everybody at same time. Bid what you want. If nobody bids it then roll it to the next class. If you canít get thru training.. Then bye, bye. With an ATP, if you canít pass, then you donít belong flying Heavies!
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or the company could just fire this whiney, ungrateful new-hire and save our union a few bucks that would be better spent on cookouts at the zoo.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:39 AM   #16  
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or the company could just fire this whiney, ungrateful new-hire and save our union a few bucks that would be better spent on cookouts at the zoo.
The zoo is closed ray
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:45 AM   #17  
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Do the people who go the the MD or FDA actually show up to class a day early? Or do they just show up with everyone else on day one of indoc? That may be the reason for the grievance. Maybe ALPA wants to change so that everyone bids whatever is available rather than being hand picked?
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Maybe it changed since
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:01 AM   #19  
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Do the people who go the the MD or FDA actually show up to class a day early? Or do they just show up with everyone else on day one of indoc? That may be the reason for the grievance. Maybe ALPA wants to change so that everyone bids whatever is available rather than being hand picked?
Historically (the last 4ish years) the MD guys and FDA guys showed up a day early and did a hub tour. The others did their hub tour on the last day.

If theyíve changed this then itís news to me. I see the gripe if they all start at the same time and canít bid. If you start a day early and the only positions are MD, well seems like thatís that. Itís a work around that I thought was contractually sound as far as I knew.

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Old 05-09-2019, 10:49 AM   #20  
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Please save my union dues and our limited number of grievances that can be flied for REAL issues. Get hired and be happy with what you get. Worry about doing a good job and getting off probation, not about the grass being greener somewhere else on property. Plenty of time for that later.
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