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Oklaviator 05-11-2019 02:04 AM

SW FO considering FDX
 
I’m considering applying to FX after almost 6 years with SW. My reasons are better commuting options and variety in flying. Obviously there are other reasons too. Widebody, international and so on....

Currently, I live in domicile and don’t like the city. There isn’t a SW domicile my wife or I want to live in. We want to live in our hometown. I am going to commute regardless of the company. This may sound crazy but life is too short to live away from family.

Flying the 737 domestically quite frankly is boring. No variety in flying. Our overnights continue to get shorter and shorter and the trip density is high. I block over 700 hours a year.

I’m looking for a change, but I obviously know it would be a monumental move. I would be starting over and losing the seniority I already have at SW.

Anyone with similar experience or prospective I would appreciate opinions.

SaltyDog 05-11-2019 04:02 AM

Im brown, we have had several WN folks like yourself steadily come on over the years for similar reasons and am certain many at FedEx. Normal IMO with current opportunities. We also have some leave for pax ops.
Good luck with FedEx. Many happy friends at purple.

Fdxlag2 05-11-2019 04:10 AM

Sounds like you have your reasons and they are good ones. If you are serious don’t dawdle. The one thing about FDX is the difference between a junior line and a senior line is tremendous. Every line number counts.

appDude 05-11-2019 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2818097)
.... The one thing about FDX is the difference between a junior line and a senior line is tremendous. Every line number counts.

And even more important to a commuter, which most of us are.

HvypurplePylot 05-11-2019 05:50 AM

Lots of former WN dudes here at FDX.

LunkerHunter 05-11-2019 06:36 AM

Wow, your in laws must not be evil spawns of the devil. I’m jealous.

wrxpilot 05-11-2019 07:19 AM

I love SWA, but yeah I would absolutely get sick of flying the 737 domestic for the rest of my career. FedEx is definitely a good place for commuters, once you get some seniority. I ended up choosing FDX over a class at UAL because I will eventually be a commuter for life, and having the ability to pick and keep your jumpseat three weeks out at FDX is pretty awesome (not based on seniority either). Not to mention the deadheads we get on the front and/or back, which you can change to have your commute paid for and get trip credit for.

The other thing that’s nice about FDX is you can really choose your own adventure. Depending on what it is, it may take some seniority. But you can fly domestic 757 (and gain seniority quick!), with layovers in your hometown. Or you can fly around the world in the 777, and only commute once a month (with a good chance of at least the front or back of the trip being a deadhead). Or you can live in a foreign base, and have a really cool taste of the ex-pat life in Germany (757) or Hong Kong (767, which is what I’m doing and was awarded as a new hire). The MD-11 seems to do a bit of everything, and the Airbus seems to stay in North America (but I honestly don’t know much about what those trips are like).

You WILL fly at night for a good portion of your time here, and I’m not going to lie sometimes it’s pretty challenging. But the good news is that usually the duty and block hours are low (much lower than what you’re used to at SWA). Overall I fly WAY less than I did as an RJ pilot, and the duty days here are usually much shorter despite the fact that we don’t have 117 rest rules.

I’ve come to find out that it’s not perfect here, and we do need to correct some things in the next contract. But overall I think it’s the best place to be for a lot of folks, myself included. But we also have people that have left for other places too and been happy with their choices (although almost every new hire class has someone from UAL/DAL/AA/SWA).

4FrozenFans 05-11-2019 09:15 AM

Made the jump to Purple after almost 2 years at WN. Simply put - no regrets. Well, going back on first year pay kinda stunk but WB second year pay softened the blow. Honestly, I was more fatigued at WN than at FedEx. I"m a commuter and typically choose/build a hub-turn schedule for home schedule reasons and still find it easier on my 40-something year old body.

It's not perfect, but nowhere is gonna be. I think our hiring will stay steady for the time being as our retirements continue.

Best of luck in your future!
-4FF

PurpleToolBox 05-11-2019 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2818186)
I’ve come to find out that it’s not perfect here, and we do need to correct some things in the next contract. But overall I think it’s the best place to be for a lot of folks, myself included. But we also have people that have left for other places too and been happy with their choices (although almost every new hire class has someone from UAL/DAL/AA/SWA).

How dare you say that!! Guys like Kronan and others have "worked hard" to ensure we have the best contract. Things are awesome here ... absolutely perfect.

^^^^ Warning: sarcasm alert. ^^^^^

I agree with you 100%. Kronan, and others like him, if you are paying attention, that's a formal regional guy saying we have problems in our contract that must be addressed. Hopefully we will have a lot more of these type of new hires on our list when the next contract comes instead of the "yes sir, two bags full" type and the "company has drawn a line in the sand, we've worked hard on this contract and there's no money left on the table" type.

busdriver12 05-11-2019 10:08 AM

With what you said, probably a good choice, particularly if you're fairly young. Many commuters get deadheads (even if you're extremely junior, easy to trade for them), so positive space, collect the airmiles instead of begging for a ride. And if you're anti-social like me, you'll appreciate no pax (except for the occasional jumper or animal handler), and no flight attendants. That kind of interaction just drains me.

wrxpilot 05-11-2019 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2818266)
How dare you say that!! Guys like Kronan and others have "worked hard" to ensure we have the best contract. Things are awesome here ... absolutely perfect.

^^^^ Warning: sarcasm alert. ^^^^^

I agree with you 100%. Kronan, and others like him, if you are paying attention, that's a formal regional guy saying we have problems in our contract that must be addressed. Hopefully we will have a lot more of these type of new hires on our list when the next contract comes instead of the "yes sir, two bags full" type and the "company has drawn a line in the sand, we've worked hard on this contract and there's no money left on the table" type.

Just to be clear, I am very grateful to be here and I know I have it very easy compared to others in the past. I just wanted to paint a realistic picture to anyone considering making a big sacrifice like leaving SWA.

cliffnd 05-11-2019 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 2818266)
How dare you say that!! Guys like Kronan and others have "worked hard" to ensure we have the best contract. Things are awesome here ... absolutely perfect.

^^^^ Warning: sarcasm alert. ^^^^^

I agree with you 100%. Kronan, and others like him, if you are paying attention, that's a formal regional guy saying we have problems in our contract that must be addressed. Hopefully we will have a lot more of these type of new hires on our list when the next contract comes instead of the "yes sir, two bags full" type and the "company has drawn a line in the sand, we've worked hard on this contract and there's no money left on the table" type.



Just curious what makes a "regional" pilot better in your eyes? Is it a willingness to burn the house down that makes them better negotiators? To our negotiators defense (right or wrong), could you argue that when there's more to lose, there's naturally more risk aversion? Or should we be okay with the possibility of wrecklessness at the negotiating table? I get it, in the opening pages of a book on any great organization is the acceptance of risk, but for every success story there are many more failures. The one commonality were the good intentions to succeed. I know you have valid arguments and concerns and I won't pretend to be the guy with the right answer, but I suspect where we should be in the risk acceptance spectrum lies somewhere in the middle, which is probably where we are and should be. That's not to say we don't stand in unity for what we believe in, but it also doesn't mean we have to win every battle at all cost. I don't have a union job outside of paying dues, but I do recognize that it's always easier to throw darts when you aren't playing against anyone else.


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Packrat 05-11-2019 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2818277)
And if you're anti-social like me, you'll appreciate no pax (except for the occasional jumper or animal handler), and no flight attendants. That kind of interaction just drains me.

Amen, Brother. Flying cargo is hands down better than "self-loading freight." Once you get used to working out of a cargo base you'll find you HATE even going into a passenger terminal much less doing it five times a day.

95% of you problems as a passenger airline pilot are due either to passenger or F/A drama. Cargo is the way to go, especially with a first rate company like FedEx or UPS.

Oklaviator 05-11-2019 11:25 AM

Thanks for all the input. If I actually get an interview and get hired I’ll write back and thank you again for the advice.

JustAnFO 05-11-2019 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Oklaviator (Post 2818077)
I’m considering applying to FX after almost 6 years with SW. My reasons are better commuting options and variety in flying. Obviously there are other reasons too. Widebody, international and so on....



Currently, I live in domicile and don’t like the city. There isn’t a SW domicile my wife or I want to live in. We want to live in our hometown. I am going to commute regardless of the company. This may sound crazy but life is too short to live away from family.



Flying the 737 domestically quite frankly is boring. No variety in flying. Our overnights continue to get shorter and shorter and the trip density is high. I block over 700 hours a year.



I’m looking for a change, but I obviously know it would be a monumental move. I would be starting over and losing the seniority I already have at SW.



Anyone with similar experience or prospective I would appreciate opinions.



No similar experience, but I’m right there with you. SWA flying is a boring grind. My other half is a FedEx 757 FO, and after less than 3 years, is in the top 15%, and flies 2/3 LESS than I do for almost the same money I made as an FO. Once I figure out the magic to getting past the interview invite computer, I’ll jump.

You’ll have plenty of co-hearts tell you you’re crazy for leaving, but they probably are unaware of how the outside world has changed since they got hired (typical of the company as a whole.) SWA used to be the “brass ring” of pilot jobs in the US for many, but other jobs have long since surpassed it.

Best of luck! Get that app fired up yesterday.


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e6bpilot 05-11-2019 12:03 PM

I am a SWA FO and I love this thread so far. Factual info, opinions without outrage, and someone who sees the flip side of the coin and a good opportunity that doesn’t involve SWA. FedEx was always on the top
of my list, but I didn’t get an interview there and now I feel like I have too much invested here to give it up.
Good for you for starting the thread and keeping it classy. APC is a cesspool, but every now and then a thread gives me hope for the future.
I wish you well in your future endeavors no matter what they are.

kronan 05-11-2019 01:23 PM

There are a lot of different niches. Domestic, Canada\Mexico\Northern Cone coming back (reportedly). 777 with long legs and big bucks for the block override. RFO trips DH'ing all over the world with the flight attendants pouring a bottomless glass.

Only know one guy who left FedEx for UAL, and that was because he couldn't hang with the Nights.

Nights are way different at FedEx now as compared to back then. Now, we have a lot more sleep rooms as well as a wakeup call program. So, if you have an 0200 show, FDX will take the responsibility of waking you up appropriately versus you setting an alarm for 0150 (or as your heart desires). And if there's weather, or a ton of volume and the Sort's going down late...well, they'll wake you up at an appropriate time. Last freezing rain event I got shacked with in Memphis I hit a sleep room at 1130 and CRS called me about 7AM to send me out to the jet.

There are folks who fly nothing but Days.

But there are more opportunities to get paid to commute with a DH for night hub turns.

Lot less flying.
A 75 guy who's working hard at FedEx will probably have 30-45 landings in the look back.


Or, if you move to Memphis you might be able to score a lot of CH's and have a landing lookback in the 5-12 range. I once flew with an Airbus Capt who sat nothing but B reserve and his look back was a whopping 2 landings. (yes, I asked, and yes, I told him to just take both legs)

Hank Burley 05-11-2019 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2818323)
Amen, Brother. Flying cargo is hands down better than "self-loading freight." Once you get used to working out of a cargo base you'll find you HATE even going into a passenger terminal much less doing it five times a day.

95% of you problems as a passenger airline pilot are due either to passenger or F/A drama. Cargo is the way to go, especially with a first rate company like FedEx or UPS.

This is exactly how I feel. As a military guy I rarely fly passengers and absolutely dread having to fly commercial when I have to. Although, if I am lucky enough to get an interview at Fedex can I actually say that this is one of the main reasons why I want to fly for Fedex?

kronan 05-11-2019 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Hank Burley (Post 2818394)
This is exactly how I feel. As a military guy I rarely fly passengers and absolutely dread having to fly commercial when I have to. Although, if I am lucky enough to get an interview at Fedex can I actually say that this is one of the main reasons why I want to fly for Fedex?

No, you have to say Boxes don't Beatch.

And, it's always FedEx Smooth when they ask for a ride report

FXLAX 05-11-2019 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by kronan (Post 2818388)
There are a lot of different niches. Domestic, Canada\Mexico\Northern Cone coming back (reportedly). 777 with long legs and big bucks for the block override. RFO trips DH'ing all over the world with the flight attendants pouring a bottomless glass.

Only know one guy who left FedEx for UAL, and that was because he couldn't hang with the Nights.

Nights are way different at FedEx now as compared to back then. Now, we have a lot more sleep rooms as well as a wakeup call program. So, if you have an 0200 show, FDX will take the responsibility of waking you up appropriately versus you setting an alarm for 0150 (or as your heart desires). And if there's weather, or a ton of volume and the Sort's going down late...well, they'll wake you up at an appropriate time. Last freezing rain event I got shacked with in Memphis I hit a sleep room at 1130 and CRS called me about 7AM to send me out to the jet.

There are folks who fly nothing but Days.

But there are more opportunities to get paid to commute with a DH for night hub turns.

Lot less flying.
A 75 guy who's working hard at FedEx will probably have 30-45 landings in the look back.


Or, if you move to Memphis you might be able to score a lot of CH's and have a landing lookback in the 5-12 range. I once flew with an Airbus Capt who sat nothing but B reserve and his look back was a whopping 2 landings. (yes, I asked, and yes, I told him to just take both legs)



What is a look back?

cliffnd 05-11-2019 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 2818436)
What is a look back?



Pretty sure he's referring to one's 90-day landing currency.


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FXLAX 05-11-2019 03:20 PM

SW FO considering FDX
 

Originally Posted by cliffnd (Post 2818440)
Pretty sure he's referring to one's 90-day landing currency.


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Maybe, I don’t really know. But how would a SWA pilot know either? As a FedEx pilot, I can “look back” 30, 60, 90, 120, 150 days, 6 months and a whole year to date as well.

busdriver12 05-11-2019 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by JustAnFO (Post 2818346)
No similar experience, but I’m right there with you. SWA flying is a boring grind. My other half is a FedEx 757 FO, and after less than 3 years, is in the top 15%, and flies 2/3 LESS than I do for almost the same money I made as an FO. Once I figure out the magic to getting past the interview invite computer, I’ll jump.

Having a spouse at FedEx is a huge bonus. Nepotism is a huge positive here. I'd ask your wife to start making contact with people here about getting you an interview. She should get on the female pilot's facebook page and start asking questions, start talking to people. If you want to be here, get her going on this. Of course, she'll have to want you here too....;)

The pilot couples here have a nice life when they're in the same seat position. Coerce her to give you her senior trips.

JustAnFO 05-11-2019 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2818462)
Having a spouse at FedEx is a huge bonus. Nepotism is a huge positive here. I'd ask your wife to start making contact with people here about getting you an interview. She should get on the female pilot's facebook page and start asking questions, start talking to people. If you want to be here, get her going on this. Of course, she'll have to want you here too....;)



The pilot couples here have a nice life when they're in the same seat position. Coerce her to give you her senior trips.



Haha, well my other half is a whiz at interior decorating, but I doubt he’ll fit in on the female pilots FB page. He does drop by the recruiting office at AOTC every time he’s there for recurrent to remind them I’m still alive...although now they tend to keep the door locked. Also done the purple bullet, and I attended his new hire day and talked with the Flight Ops VP, so I think we are doing all we can.


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FrankTheTank 05-11-2019 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2818462)
Having a spouse at FedEx is a huge bonus. Nepotism is a huge positive here. I'd ask your wife to start making contact with people here about getting you an interview. She should get on the female pilot's facebook page and start asking questions, start talking to people. If you want to be here, get her going on this. Of course, she'll have to want you here too....;)

The pilot couples here have a nice life when they're in the same seat position. Coerce her to give you her senior trips.

Unless you’re Mark, who would always have to fly his and Margie’s trips.. I would always see her name on the pairing and show up at the folder to see Mark. She definitely got the winning end of them being in same plane and seat. :cool:

busdriver12 05-11-2019 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by FrankTheTank (Post 2818470)
Unless you’re Mark, who would always have to fly his and Margie’s trips.. I would always see her name on the pairing and show up at the folder to see Mark. She definitely got the winning end of them being in same plane and seat. :cool:


I heard he loved to fly and she enjoyed staying home more...so it sounded like a win/win for them. Or maybe she did the family scheduling and he just ended up in all the trips somehow.:cool:

busdriver12 05-11-2019 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by JustAnFO (Post 2818467)
Haha, well my other half is a whiz at interior decorating, but I doubt he’ll fit in on the female pilots FB page. He does drop by the recruiting office at AOTC every time he’s there for recurrent to remind them I’m still alive...although now they tend to keep the door locked. Also done the purple bullet, and I attended his new hire day and talked with the Flight Ops VP, so I think we are doing all we can.


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Oops, I thought you said it was your wife, my mistake. Yeah, hopefully you'll get a call soon, but don't despair. It takes FedEx a ridiculous amount of time to call people in.

FrankTheTank 05-11-2019 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 2818498)
I heard he loved to fly and she enjoyed staying home more...so it sounded like a win/win for them. Or maybe she did the family scheduling and he just ended up in all the trips somehow.:cool:

I know... I was trying to make a joke.. Tongue in cheek doesn’t work well on the internet..:eek:

Tao of Funk 05-11-2019 05:01 PM

I left WN for FedEx, albeit with only 6 months at the former. My assessment comes during my honeymoon having less than 2 years with FedEx.

If you can’t (or won’t) fly nights, forget it. I was at a regional for 17 years and chose not to commute, I had commuted enough times to know it wasn’t for me. Commuting at FedEx is a breeze. Do some homework on the city from which you plan to commute, there are some FedEx cities that are quite busy. I’m commuting from a city that offers plenty of FedEx jumpseats. I also ride paid commercial deadheads quite a bit now and it is very slick. I still jumpseat offline occasionally and get much luv from everyone.

The crews here are top notch. I’m speaking of the captains with whom I work and the crews I catch a ride from 3 times a month. Former military, cargo, airline, it doesn’t matter. Without a doubt they have been super cool and accommodating. It’s standard at FedEx to do a debrief after every flight. Not once has the captain bagged on me for a slip up. If it’s their leg they’ll only debrief their own performance. Seriously classy people.

If you absolutely, positively have to go out on overnights, buyer beware. I’ve gone out for dinner and drinks however some schedules aren’t conducive to a social life. No one will give you grief if you slam click, I’m not sure if people here even know what a slam click is.

People don’t complain much and they don’t rag on each other. Well, okay, if you were in the military expect the requisite us versus them banter. All in good fun. I wouldn’t characterize people as kool-aid drinkers either. Honest opinions and solid info abound.

Plan to be goal oriented. People want to move the freight, they come to work to get the job done. On the flip side if you want to drop a trip that’s not a problem, someone will take it. The first time I dropped reserve days my jaw hit the floor, that was a career first!

The interview was tough. I put a lot of time and effort into getting ready. It was my third “major” interview and the most difficult. The interviewers were friendly but they have a job to do. I wouldn’t have been surprised if I didn’t pass. No matter what you have heard or think, they are looking for honest, humble, polite, articulate people. So they make a mistake from time to time, yay for me!

For sure FedEx isn’t for everyone. Each month that passes I am happier with my decision to come here. I could have gone to United, stayed at Southwest, or come here. This job fits me like a glove!

Nightflyer 05-11-2019 05:41 PM

ToF,

Glad to hear you are enjoying being here. A long, long time ago, I interviewed with both SWA and FedEx during the same week. It was during a period when hiring was slowing down, and I ended up being in the pool for a year. SWA called first, but by that time, I had made my choice and told them I wanted to work for FedEx, and it wouldn't be fair for me to take a training slot and then quit after 3 months. Not fair to SWA, and not fair to someone in the pool at SWA waiting behind me. SWA was really nice, and told me I had one year to change my mind and they would still take me. I am still at FedEx. I do appreciate SWA being cool about me turning them down. Some of my friends said I was crazy doing that, and that I should have said yes and then quit. Well, it worked out in the end.

Sometimes I eat dinner with the crew, sometimes I am too tired or I woke up early and eat by myself, that is why we have the 5 minute rule. I have never thought poorly of another crew member for missing dinner, it's just part of everyone sleeping, working out and eating on the schedule that works best for them. Now, if I have a longer layover, I will do my best to meet my crew for dinner.

The rest of what you said is also very accurate, but I am glad to hear that a more recent hire has come to the same conclusions I did over 20 years ago.

I picked FedEx so I could fly international, and fly a variety of aircraft so I wouldn't get bored. One of the good things about FedEx is that you can find your little niche and stay there to get senior, or you can make a change until you find a plane you like or one that flies to the cities you like.

Hands down, FedEx has the best vacation rules in the industry. I hope the young guys and gals can resist PBS so they can keep it. I also hope the union fails in this stupid idea to give away our retirement plan.

There are many "old" guys here, who took 8 years to get to the right seat of a wide body, and even longer to be a wide body Captain, due to slower hiring and the age 65 change. I am envious of the young guys and gals just starting out. You will truly benefit from a greatly accelerated career track. I think most of the old guys, including myself, are genuinely happy for you, but we also hope you will protect our contract, and we need to stop giving away the good deals, which seems to happen every negotiating period. Those good deals exist for a reason, and they should not be given up lightly or cheaply.

We debrief here because standards wants it that way. Some Captains take it more seriously than others. My goal is to make sure there are no unanswered questions, admit my mistakes to my crew, and tell them what I learned from it. At 0300, I know I am going to make a mistake somewhere along the way, and I tell my FO's it is their job to catch it. When they do, my response is either "correcting" or "thank you". I usually summarize what I might have done wrong, then ask the FO "what have you got for me"? That gives them the opportunity to debrief any mistakes they may have made in a manner similar to the example I have set. If they don't mention something I consider significant, I may debrief them on it, and do a little mentoring, but it is in the style of "you might consider doing it this way next time". Most of the time, the flight goes smoothly, with only minor errors. In that case, I might say, "I though it went well, except for whatever mistake I made, what do you have for me?" Asking for input makes them think for a minute, and they might bring up something I forgot. I also try to thank my crew for their good work at the end of every trip.

Sorry, I got long winded.

C17MooseDriver 05-12-2019 02:10 AM

Left WN after 4 years. Absolutely no regrets.

Ihateusernames 05-16-2019 07:05 AM

Do you really think anyone would admit they made a mistake by leaving?


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cliffnd 05-16-2019 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Ihateusernames (Post 2821191)
Do you really think anyone would admit they made a mistake by leaving?


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Is it possible that EVERYONE gets a "great deal" when buying a car? [emoji16] Point taken, though, but I think most would admit to it if they subsequently got furloughed. [emoji15] Now, where's that piece of wood?!?!


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Ihateusernames 05-16-2019 08:42 AM

Happened to a guy I knew who left SWA for ups 2007-08 time


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Tao of Funk 05-16-2019 02:55 PM

[QUOTE=Ihateusernames;2821191]Do you really think anyone would admit they made a mistake by leaving?

The OP asked for opinions from people who have had a similar experience or perspective. I’m not trying to rip on you but the question is a bit like a red herring argument. It seems as though the responses were in line with the requested information. It would be nice to read the I’m not happy having made the switch perspective to round out the conversation.

WhenPigsFLy 05-20-2019 03:34 PM

The future is not good for ups and fedex with trade wars and amazon. Better stay at swa, more secure. I know guts who are regretting leaving legacy plus swa now that the above threats are real.

wrxpilot 05-21-2019 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy (Post 2823550)
The future is not good for ups and fedex with trade wars and amazon. Better stay at swa, more secure. I know guts who are regretting leaving legacy plus swa now that the above threats are real.

Oh, it’s the doom and gloom guy! Just a few months ago you recommended Cathay and Emirates over UAL and Delta. That is so completely insane I don’t see how anyone could take you seriously.

kronan 05-21-2019 07:15 AM

As we all know, Passenger airlines are immune to such things as a Trade war that would devastate the US Economy

SaltyDog 05-24-2019 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy (Post 2823550)
The future is not good for ups and fedex with trade wars and amazon. Better stay at swa, more secure. I know guts who are regretting leaving legacy plus swa now that the above threats are real.

To ethereal and not practical advise.
Historically, goods are produced wherever most cost effectively produced.
If costs to high for Chinese goods, manufacturers and the markets move rapidly to other countries. Mexico, Vietnam, Malayasia, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, and even many European and South American countries will start producing these goods over a short order of time. Cargo jets will simply move to new airports around the world.
Amazon is low yield volume. FedEx and UPS don't trip over themselves to fly just any volume, they pursue high yield non residential volume to make more money without buying jets to move very low profit volume. Amazon will not be able to cover their own volumes for a long time and wont have a real capability to compete with the business to business high yield volume IMO.
So at a pilot employment level, pax or freighter, as much theoretical risk for another 911 as the Amazon threat and trade wars impact.

BrulesRulez 05-24-2019 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2823728)
Oh, it’s the doom and gloom guy! Just a few months ago you recommended Cathay and Emirates over UAL and Delta. That is so completely insane I don’t see how anyone could take you seriously.



He is a troll. Just look at his username.


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