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Old 05-17-2019, 11:43 AM   #11  
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PBS will destroy our vacation system.

That's all you need to know to vote against it.
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Old 05-17-2019, 11:48 AM   #12  
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because we all know the previous VTO system wasnít PBS.

And we all know that FedEx is expanding the VTO system by hiding scheduled flying instead of publishing trips in the bidpack.

I know itís so because I read it on the internet.


3 times through the new VTO system for me now. 100% of the time no one Junior to me has been awarded a trip I requested, something that NEVER happened during all of my previous trips through VTO land with our weighted/minimal inputs. 2 of my all time favorite ďreasonsĒ reports when I kvetched under the previous system. ďItís a Request. And, ďI missed that input, but you probably wouldnít have been awarded that layover trip at home since it was part of your 4íth request and the other pilot had it as part of his #1Ē

18 VTO Lines Junior to me and someone else was awarded a week of layovers at home for me because I was hoping to not work that week...but if I had to, layovers at home better than having to try and rework the schedule to make it work.
I have had trips requested assigned to the guy 1 junior to me. Iíve also had them choose to build me below min BLG and give me PNP instead. The old VTO system was a form of PBS. The new one is also a form of PBS that is allowing them to put a segment of the crew force in essentially 4a2b. Hey but they get PNP...so Senior guys who manage to avoid SLG can wonder why they canít trade or pick up trips. Awesome.
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Old 05-17-2019, 12:23 PM   #13  
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The average PBS would be bad for our vacation. However no 2 PBS systems are the same. Iíd be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency. My regional had the same attitudes and were pleasantly surprised by our PBS.

It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I donít hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but Iíd at least give them an hour to see if theyíre open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, Iíll join the no PBS crowd.
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Old 05-17-2019, 12:29 PM   #14  
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Yes,
because we all know the previous VTO system wasn’t PBS.

And we all know that FedEx is expanding the VTO system by hiding scheduled flying instead of publishing trips in the bidpack.

I know it’s so because I read it on the internet.


3 times through the new VTO system for me now. 100% of the time no one Junior to me has been awarded a trip I requested, something that NEVER happened during all of my previous trips through VTO land with our weighted/minimal inputs. 2 of my all time favorite “reasons” reports when I kvetched under the previous system. “It’s a Request. And, “I missed that input, but you probably wouldn’t have been awarded that layover trip at home since it was part of your 4’th request and the other pilot had it as part of his #1”

18 VTO Lines Junior to me and someone else was awarded a week of layovers at home for me because I was hoping to not work that week...but if I had to, layovers at home better than having to try and rework the schedule to make it work.
As I said, YOU got what YOU wanted Kronan.

Funny, I've spend hours on the 777 hearing others complain that someone junior to them was given a trip they wanted.

But yes, you and your ilk let PBS on property instead of working another solution to a ridiculous VTO system. Congrats, you made it worse!

I wonder how many more reserve lines will go into the PBS system y'all fought hard for?

I wonder how many regular lines we will agree to let move into the PBS system you are currently championing for ??

You sir just don't get it.
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:17 PM   #15  
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The average PBS would be bad for our vacation. However no 2 PBS systems are the same. Iíd be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency. My regional had the same attitudes and were pleasantly surprised by our PBS.

It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I donít hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but Iíd at least give them an hour to see if theyíre open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, Iíll join the no PBS crowd.
Youíre assuming that we can write iron-clad language to maintain control over pbs parameters that will be honored by corp. However, recent trends seem to indicate that corp is very good at bypassing the intent of contractual language when itís too expensive and/or inconvenient for them.
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Old 05-17-2019, 01:58 PM   #16  
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The average PBS would be bad for our vacation. However no 2 PBS systems are the same. Iíd be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency. My regional had the same attitudes and were pleasantly surprised by our PBS.

It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I donít hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but Iíd at least give them an hour to see if theyíre open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, Iíll join the no PBS crowd.
As an added bonus everyone keeps their current juniority as the company quits hiring for five years.
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Old 05-17-2019, 02:02 PM   #17  
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Youíre assuming that we can write iron-clad language to maintain control over pbs parameters that will be honored by corp. However, recent trends seem to indicate that corp is very good at bypassing the intent of contractual language when itís too expensive and/or inconvenient for them.
And yet the current union leadership wants to give away our retirement system for the promise of something that might be better.

But I am supposed to wear my lanyard to show my support? I don't wear a union lanyard, and I hope the union leadership is smart enough to realize the problem is them. Stop pushing stupid stuff if you want me to wear a lanyard.
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Nothing needs to be given up to get something in negotiations. Itís all about leverage, which almost always tilts managementís way because they usually have the luxury of time on their side. I think that the only leverage we could have that would be significant is a possible pilot shortage in the next few years. Then time would be on our side.
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Old 05-17-2019, 03:55 PM   #19  
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The average PBS would be bad for our vacation. However no 2 PBS systems are the same. Iíd be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency. My regional had the same attitudes and were pleasantly surprised by our PBS.



It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I donít hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but Iíd at least give them an hour to see if theyíre open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, Iíll join the no PBS crowd.

Careful what you write or you might get flack coming your way. I feel the same as you. My guess is you are ex-ASA.
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:13 AM   #20  
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Iíd be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency.
Read this statement out loud to yourself again please.

Unicorn. Doesn't exist.
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