Contract 2021 Pilot Input
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 210
Yes,
because we all know the previous VTO system wasn’t PBS.
And we all know that FedEx is expanding the VTO system by hiding scheduled flying instead of publishing trips in the bidpack.
I know it’s so because I read it on the internet.
3 times through the new VTO system for me now. 100% of the time no one Junior to me has been awarded a trip I requested, something that NEVER happened during all of my previous trips through VTO land with our weighted/minimal inputs. 2 of my all time favorite “reasons” reports when I kvetched under the previous system. “It’s a Request. And, “I missed that input, but you probably wouldn’t have been awarded that layover trip at home since it was part of your 4’th request and the other pilot had it as part of his #1”
18 VTO Lines Junior to me and someone else was awarded a week of layovers at home for me because I was hoping to not work that week...but if I had to, layovers at home better than having to try and rework the schedule to make it work.
because we all know the previous VTO system wasn’t PBS.
And we all know that FedEx is expanding the VTO system by hiding scheduled flying instead of publishing trips in the bidpack.
I know it’s so because I read it on the internet.
3 times through the new VTO system for me now. 100% of the time no one Junior to me has been awarded a trip I requested, something that NEVER happened during all of my previous trips through VTO land with our weighted/minimal inputs. 2 of my all time favorite “reasons” reports when I kvetched under the previous system. “It’s a Request. And, “I missed that input, but you probably wouldn’t have been awarded that layover trip at home since it was part of your 4’th request and the other pilot had it as part of his #1”
18 VTO Lines Junior to me and someone else was awarded a week of layovers at home for me because I was hoping to not work that week...but if I had to, layovers at home better than having to try and rework the schedule to make it work.
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 279
The average PBS would be bad for our vacation. However no 2 PBS systems are the same. I’d be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency. My regional had the same attitudes and were pleasantly surprised by our PBS.
It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but I’d at least give them an hour to see if they’re open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, I’ll join the no PBS crowd.
It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but I’d at least give them an hour to see if they’re open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, I’ll join the no PBS crowd.
#14
Yes,
because we all know the previous VTO system wasn’t PBS.
And we all know that FedEx is expanding the VTO system by hiding scheduled flying instead of publishing trips in the bidpack.
I know it’s so because I read it on the internet.
3 times through the new VTO system for me now. 100% of the time no one Junior to me has been awarded a trip I requested, something that NEVER happened during all of my previous trips through VTO land with our weighted/minimal inputs. 2 of my all time favorite “reasons” reports when I kvetched under the previous system. “It’s a Request. And, “I missed that input, but you probably wouldn’t have been awarded that layover trip at home since it was part of your 4’th request and the other pilot had it as part of his #1”
18 VTO Lines Junior to me and someone else was awarded a week of layovers at home for me because I was hoping to not work that week...but if I had to, layovers at home better than having to try and rework the schedule to make it work.
because we all know the previous VTO system wasn’t PBS.
And we all know that FedEx is expanding the VTO system by hiding scheduled flying instead of publishing trips in the bidpack.
I know it’s so because I read it on the internet.
3 times through the new VTO system for me now. 100% of the time no one Junior to me has been awarded a trip I requested, something that NEVER happened during all of my previous trips through VTO land with our weighted/minimal inputs. 2 of my all time favorite “reasons” reports when I kvetched under the previous system. “It’s a Request. And, “I missed that input, but you probably wouldn’t have been awarded that layover trip at home since it was part of your 4’th request and the other pilot had it as part of his #1”
18 VTO Lines Junior to me and someone else was awarded a week of layovers at home for me because I was hoping to not work that week...but if I had to, layovers at home better than having to try and rework the schedule to make it work.
Funny, I've spend hours on the 777 hearing others complain that someone junior to them was given a trip they wanted.
But yes, you and your ilk let PBS on property instead of working another solution to a ridiculous VTO system. Congrats, you made it worse!
I wonder how many more reserve lines will go into the PBS system y'all fought hard for?
I wonder how many regular lines we will agree to let move into the PBS system you are currently championing for ??
You sir just don't get it.
#15
The average PBS would be bad for our vacation. However no 2 PBS systems are the same. I’d be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency. My regional had the same attitudes and were pleasantly surprised by our PBS.
It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but I’d at least give them an hour to see if they’re open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, I’ll join the no PBS crowd.
It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but I’d at least give them an hour to see if they’re open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, I’ll join the no PBS crowd.
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 936
The average PBS would be bad for our vacation. However no 2 PBS systems are the same. I’d be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency. My regional had the same attitudes and were pleasantly surprised by our PBS.
It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but I’d at least give them an hour to see if they’re open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, I’ll join the no PBS crowd.
It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but I’d at least give them an hour to see if they’re open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, I’ll join the no PBS crowd.
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Crewmember
Posts: 1,377
You’re assuming that we can write iron-clad language to maintain control over pbs parameters that will be honored by corp. However, recent trends seem to indicate that corp is very good at bypassing the intent of contractual language when it’s too expensive and/or inconvenient for them.
But I am supposed to wear my lanyard to show my support? I don't wear a union lanyard, and I hope the union leadership is smart enough to realize the problem is them. Stop pushing stupid stuff if you want me to wear a lanyard.
#18
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,099
Nothing needs to be given up to get something in negotiations. It’s all about leverage, which almost always tilts management’s way because they usually have the luxury of time on their side. I think that the only leverage we could have that would be significant is a possible pilot shortage in the next few years. Then time would be on our side.
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,099
The average PBS would be bad for our vacation. However no 2 PBS systems are the same. I’d be willing to listen to one with complete pilot control and transparency. My regional had the same attitudes and were pleasantly surprised by our PBS.
It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but I’d at least give them an hour to see if they’re open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, I’ll join the no PBS crowd.
It would require a complete rewrite of multiple contract sections to achieve our current vacation control. I don’t hold out a lot of hope for corp giving us all those parameters, but I’d at least give them an hour to see if they’re open to the pilot groups requirements. If not, I’ll join the no PBS crowd.
Careful what you write or you might get flack coming your way. I feel the same as you. My guess is you are ex-ASA.
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