FedEx routing for Huawei packages
06-04-2019, 06:22 PM
#21
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I'm not as worried about a reduction in flying leading to a 4a2b type scenario. In fact...if some manufacturers move their production to other places like Vietnam, Myanmar, India, Bangladesh, etc it could mean "different" rather than "less" flying. I don't think all those goods are going to STOP being manufactured in a trade war. I just think they might be produced somewhere else.
06-04-2019, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Fdxlag2
Reduce the guarantee en lieu of furlough from 68 to a min of 54 in our 4 week month. It worked last time although some were hurt a lot more than others. We have changed some more rules to try to spread out the pain but you never know.
06-04-2019, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DC021
Thanks for sharing that. Let’s hope it doesn’t come down to it.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it yet. Current events are concerning and will definitely have fall out, but I think talking about such things are premature.
Hopefully you’ll make it onboard here. Best of luck!
06-05-2019, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Precontact
This is an ambiguous time in US/China relations...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3012737/china-targets-fedex-over-stray-packages-new-front-opens-trade
From the article: “On Friday, China’s Ministry of Commerce said it would detail an “unreliable entity list” and specific measures to punish foreign companies found to have violated Chinese laws, hurt Chinese business for non-commercial reasons, or posed threats to national security.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3012737/china-targets-fedex-over-stray-packages-new-front-opens-trade
From the article: “On Friday, China’s Ministry of Commerce said it would detail an “unreliable entity list” and specific measures to punish foreign companies found to have violated Chinese laws, hurt Chinese business for non-commercial reasons, or posed threats to national security.”
06-06-2019, 02:11 AM
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It was my understanding that one of the main reasons for FedEx moving the Asia domicile to Hong Kong/Guangzhou was to get in on the inter-China domestic flying. How did that work out for us? I’m pretty sure we were banking on more than ZGGG-ZSPD. We certainly were expecting to be treated better by Chinese customs in Guangzhou than we are, not to mention common sense ATC and ground ops there. Also, unlike nine years ago when we were the only ones operating at that time of night, that airport is pretty busy now, and we sit around a lot more at the hold short while the homeboys get priority handling.
Previous posts are correct – this is straight out of the Chinese playbook and I’m not sure why we thought it would be any different for us: encourage a western company to invest in a business venture on Chinese soil, nothing but promises as the infrastructure is built, nothing but smiles at the start when the ribbon is cut. Then (shockingly I know) the red tape is slowly ramped up, Chinese authorities make doing business more and more difficult to the point that the venture becomes unfeasible, said western company throws up their arms and quits, and finally China says “no problem, we’ll take it from here and thank you so much for all the cool stuff you built for us as well as your trade secrets!”
China is not our friend and they do not wish us well. There is a reason they have built mockups of Japan’s Yokosuka Naval Base (U.S. Navy) and Misawa Air Base (U.S. Air Force) in the Gobi Desert and are practicing surprise missile attacks probably at this very moment. Make no mistake, someday they will “Pearl Harbor” us the moment they think they can get away with it. Unlike the last century with the Japanese, we are not going to have six months to a year to recover from it and get our crap together.
It is China’s long-term goal to push U.S. economic, military, and political influence in the Pacific at least as far back as Hawaii (yes, as far as they are concerned, even Guam has to go). They mean to dominate Asia, if not Africa as well and we are in their way. The sooner we come to our senses and start treating China as a current enemy and future combatant state, the better off we’ll be. Our companies need to shift their manufacturing out of China and into other developing economies such as Vietnam and India – maybe even do some more of our own again. We need to stop educating the enemy - 340,000 Chinese student-spies as of July 2018, we need to stop the massive, on-going theft of our intellectual property, we need to eliminate our vulnerability to Chinese made equipment (Huawei), and finally, we need to get ready for the fight that is coming – because make no mistake, they intend on fighting us and they are planning for it as we speak. President Xi has gone too far down this road to turn back now. He has hitched his legacy to this course of action and the only thing that will forestall the inevitable, violent outcome is a change in leadership, and I don’t see that happening anytime soon. You can also count on Russia jumping in against us when the time comes – because, well, that is just what they do.
We need to understand that this is a regime without any ethics or a moral compass that only cares about what it can get away with. Whether it is three million Uighur people in concentration camps or planting a Chinese flag at Scarborough Shoals a mere 123 miles off the coast of the Philippines – they simply don’t care. They demand respect without being respectful. They expect the rest of the world to adhere to international law while they flaunt it. There is not any international norm that they give a crap about. Truth and facts mean nothing. Lies and dishonesty are a way of life. They cannot be negotiated or reasoned with as whatever agreements we would make, China has no intention of honoring or complying with them. There is no common ground to be found or had here. China is a bully and a bully only takes pause to reconsider after they have been punched in the face. It does not matter if the U.S. seeks to find peaceful solutions to our differences. China intends to fight and fight they will.
FedEx should have moved the Asia domicile yesterday, maybe to Clark, Vietnam, or Malaysia. I fear that when the shooting starts (and it could happen in the South China Sea on any given day now the way things are going) all we’ll have there is 160 crew members and their families being held as hostages and whatever FedEx aircraft and equipment on the ramps in mainland China – you can kiss it all goodbye.
Previous posts are correct – this is straight out of the Chinese playbook and I’m not sure why we thought it would be any different for us: encourage a western company to invest in a business venture on Chinese soil, nothing but promises as the infrastructure is built, nothing but smiles at the start when the ribbon is cut. Then (shockingly I know) the red tape is slowly ramped up, Chinese authorities make doing business more and more difficult to the point that the venture becomes unfeasible, said western company throws up their arms and quits, and finally China says “no problem, we’ll take it from here and thank you so much for all the cool stuff you built for us as well as your trade secrets!”
China is not our friend and they do not wish us well. There is a reason they have built mockups of Japan’s Yokosuka Naval Base (U.S. Navy) and Misawa Air Base (U.S. Air Force) in the Gobi Desert and are practicing surprise missile attacks probably at this very moment. Make no mistake, someday they will “Pearl Harbor” us the moment they think they can get away with it. Unlike the last century with the Japanese, we are not going to have six months to a year to recover from it and get our crap together.
It is China’s long-term goal to push U.S. economic, military, and political influence in the Pacific at least as far back as Hawaii (yes, as far as they are concerned, even Guam has to go). They mean to dominate Asia, if not Africa as well and we are in their way. The sooner we come to our senses and start treating China as a current enemy and future combatant state, the better off we’ll be. Our companies need to shift their manufacturing out of China and into other developing economies such as Vietnam and India – maybe even do some more of our own again. We need to stop educating the enemy - 340,000 Chinese student-spies as of July 2018, we need to stop the massive, on-going theft of our intellectual property, we need to eliminate our vulnerability to Chinese made equipment (Huawei), and finally, we need to get ready for the fight that is coming – because make no mistake, they intend on fighting us and they are planning for it as we speak. President Xi has gone too far down this road to turn back now. He has hitched his legacy to this course of action and the only thing that will forestall the inevitable, violent outcome is a change in leadership, and I don’t see that happening anytime soon. You can also count on Russia jumping in against us when the time comes – because, well, that is just what they do.
We need to understand that this is a regime without any ethics or a moral compass that only cares about what it can get away with. Whether it is three million Uighur people in concentration camps or planting a Chinese flag at Scarborough Shoals a mere 123 miles off the coast of the Philippines – they simply don’t care. They demand respect without being respectful. They expect the rest of the world to adhere to international law while they flaunt it. There is not any international norm that they give a crap about. Truth and facts mean nothing. Lies and dishonesty are a way of life. They cannot be negotiated or reasoned with as whatever agreements we would make, China has no intention of honoring or complying with them. There is no common ground to be found or had here. China is a bully and a bully only takes pause to reconsider after they have been punched in the face. It does not matter if the U.S. seeks to find peaceful solutions to our differences. China intends to fight and fight they will.
FedEx should have moved the Asia domicile yesterday, maybe to Clark, Vietnam, or Malaysia. I fear that when the shooting starts (and it could happen in the South China Sea on any given day now the way things are going) all we’ll have there is 160 crew members and their families being held as hostages and whatever FedEx aircraft and equipment on the ramps in mainland China – you can kiss it all goodbye.
06-06-2019, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Iwa Washi
It was my understanding that one of the main reasons for FedEx moving the Asia domicile to Hong Kong/Guangzhou was to get in on the inter-China domestic flying. How did that work out for us? I’m pretty sure we were banking on more than ZGGG-ZSPD. We certainly were expecting to be treated better by Chinese customs in Guangzhou than we are, not to mention common sense ATC and ground ops there. Also, unlike nine years ago when we were the only ones operating at that time of night, that airport is pretty busy now, and we sit around a lot more at the hold short while the homeboys get priority handling.
Previous posts are correct – this is straight out of the Chinese playbook and I’m not sure why we thought it would be any different for us: encourage a western company to invest in a business venture on Chinese soil, nothing but promises as the infrastructure is built, nothing but smiles at the start when the ribbon is cut. Then (shockingly I know) the red tape is slowly ramped up, Chinese authorities make doing business more and more difficult to the point that the venture becomes unfeasible, said western company throws up their arms and quits, and finally China says “no problem, we’ll take it from here and thank you so much for all the cool stuff you built for us as well as your trade secrets!”
China is not our friend and they do not wish us well. There is a reason they have built mockups of Japan’s Yokosuka Naval Base (U.S. Navy) and Misawa Air Base (U.S. Air Force) in the Gobi Desert and are practicing surprise missile attacks probably at this very moment. Make no mistake, someday they will “Pearl Harbor” us the moment they think they can get away with it. Unlike the last century with the Japanese, we are not going to have six months to a year to recover from it and get our crap together.
It is China’s long-term goal to push U.S. economic, military, and political influence in the Pacific at least as far back as Hawaii (yes, as far as they are concerned, even Guam has to go). They mean to dominate Asia, if not Africa as well and we are in their way. The sooner we come to our senses and start treating China as a current enemy and future combatant state, the better off we’ll be. Our companies need to shift their manufacturing out of China and into other developing economies such as Vietnam and India – maybe even do some more of our own again. We need to stop educating the enemy - 340,000 Chinese student-spies as of July 2018, we need to stop the massive, on-going theft of our intellectual property, we need to eliminate our vulnerability to Chinese made equipment (Huawei), and finally, we need to get ready for the fight that is coming – because make no mistake, they intend on fighting us and they are planning for it as we speak. President Xi has gone too far down this road to turn back now. He has hitched his legacy to this course of action and the only thing that will forestall the inevitable, violent outcome is a change in leadership, and I don’t see that happening anytime soon. You can also count on Russia jumping in against us when the time comes – because, well, that is just what they do.
We need to understand that this is a regime without any ethics or a moral compass that only cares about what it can get away with. Whether it is three million Uighur people in concentration camps or planting a Chinese flag at Scarborough Shoals a mere 123 miles off the coast of the Philippines – they simply don’t care. They demand respect without being respectful. They expect the rest of the world to adhere to international law while they flaunt it. There is not any international norm that they give a crap about. Truth and facts mean nothing. Lies and dishonesty are a way of life. They cannot be negotiated or reasoned with as whatever agreements we would make, China has no intention of honoring or complying with them. There is no common ground to be found or had here. China is a bully and a bully only takes pause to reconsider after they have been punched in the face. It does not matter if the U.S. seeks to find peaceful solutions to our differences. China intends to fight and fight they will.
FedEx should have moved the Asia domicile yesterday, maybe to Clark, Vietnam, or Malaysia. I fear that when the shooting starts (and it could happen in the South China Sea on any given day now the way things are going) all we’ll have there is 160 crew members and their families being held as hostages and whatever FedEx aircraft and equipment on the ramps in mainland China – you can kiss it all goodbye.
Previous posts are correct – this is straight out of the Chinese playbook and I’m not sure why we thought it would be any different for us: encourage a western company to invest in a business venture on Chinese soil, nothing but promises as the infrastructure is built, nothing but smiles at the start when the ribbon is cut. Then (shockingly I know) the red tape is slowly ramped up, Chinese authorities make doing business more and more difficult to the point that the venture becomes unfeasible, said western company throws up their arms and quits, and finally China says “no problem, we’ll take it from here and thank you so much for all the cool stuff you built for us as well as your trade secrets!”
China is not our friend and they do not wish us well. There is a reason they have built mockups of Japan’s Yokosuka Naval Base (U.S. Navy) and Misawa Air Base (U.S. Air Force) in the Gobi Desert and are practicing surprise missile attacks probably at this very moment. Make no mistake, someday they will “Pearl Harbor” us the moment they think they can get away with it. Unlike the last century with the Japanese, we are not going to have six months to a year to recover from it and get our crap together.
It is China’s long-term goal to push U.S. economic, military, and political influence in the Pacific at least as far back as Hawaii (yes, as far as they are concerned, even Guam has to go). They mean to dominate Asia, if not Africa as well and we are in their way. The sooner we come to our senses and start treating China as a current enemy and future combatant state, the better off we’ll be. Our companies need to shift their manufacturing out of China and into other developing economies such as Vietnam and India – maybe even do some more of our own again. We need to stop educating the enemy - 340,000 Chinese student-spies as of July 2018, we need to stop the massive, on-going theft of our intellectual property, we need to eliminate our vulnerability to Chinese made equipment (Huawei), and finally, we need to get ready for the fight that is coming – because make no mistake, they intend on fighting us and they are planning for it as we speak. President Xi has gone too far down this road to turn back now. He has hitched his legacy to this course of action and the only thing that will forestall the inevitable, violent outcome is a change in leadership, and I don’t see that happening anytime soon. You can also count on Russia jumping in against us when the time comes – because, well, that is just what they do.
We need to understand that this is a regime without any ethics or a moral compass that only cares about what it can get away with. Whether it is three million Uighur people in concentration camps or planting a Chinese flag at Scarborough Shoals a mere 123 miles off the coast of the Philippines – they simply don’t care. They demand respect without being respectful. They expect the rest of the world to adhere to international law while they flaunt it. There is not any international norm that they give a crap about. Truth and facts mean nothing. Lies and dishonesty are a way of life. They cannot be negotiated or reasoned with as whatever agreements we would make, China has no intention of honoring or complying with them. There is no common ground to be found or had here. China is a bully and a bully only takes pause to reconsider after they have been punched in the face. It does not matter if the U.S. seeks to find peaceful solutions to our differences. China intends to fight and fight they will.
FedEx should have moved the Asia domicile yesterday, maybe to Clark, Vietnam, or Malaysia. I fear that when the shooting starts (and it could happen in the South China Sea on any given day now the way things are going) all we’ll have there is 160 crew members and their families being held as hostages and whatever FedEx aircraft and equipment on the ramps in mainland China – you can kiss it all goodbye.
06-21-2019, 04:05 PM
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06-26-2019, 08:18 PM
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06-27-2019, 02:35 AM
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Maybe we should have entered into a multilateral trade agreement with the twelve biggest countries bordering the Pacific that were not China.....
https://ustr.gov/tpp/
https://ustr.gov/tpp/
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