Vavaction and carryover
 

Looking for some guidance.

If a pilot has vacation that spans two month, let’s say last 2 of days August and first 5 days of September. If he has a trip with carryover from August that has 30 hours of carry over the first week of September that is dropped due to the vacation. Then when his schedule for September is awarded he has a trip worth 30 the first week of September that is dropped due to the vacation (that essentially matches the footprint of the carryover trip from August).

The question is are all 60 hours deducted from the vacation bank? (Leaving a defecit) That’s what I think will happen. Tell me if I’m wrong.

You are not wrong. Read the latest "Vacation Matters" from the union.
If it touches a trip, it is dropped and deducted from your vacation bank. If you don't have enough it becomes a deficit. You can have it taken out of next years bank, make it up during the view add window, or do MUV throughout the remainder of the year.

Based on what you have said, it looks like if you didn't have vacation, the trip in September would have conflicted with the August carryover trip. If this is the case, then you are wrong. The September trip would be dropped and added to your make up bank and you would be eligible for CIC.

Even though the trip from August that was removed for vacation disappears from your calendar, there is still a ghost trip there for pay purposes, since you are getting paid for that trip. Even if the new trip in September only touches that trip by one minute, that trip goes away and is dropped, no hours come out of your vacation. How do I know, I messed up and had a trip overlap by one minute. I thought I would be paid for the trip via vacation and have the time off. Instead, if I wanted the hours, I had to get them in CIC. You can't add a CIC trip that touches vacation.

What FDXpilot said would have been correct if the trips would not have conflicted without vacation. For the best answer, send futures an insight report with your question. They have gotten back quickly IME.

That was what was the situation I was attempting to describe. If there wasn’t vacation The trips would have conflicted and the September trip would be dropped off.

I’ll send them a message.

I didn’t want to screw myself out of time off.

Thank you

Futures essentially said the same thing you just said.

Thank you again.

No problem. Glad I could help.

The amazing thing is you got a reply from Futures so quickly :)

Does the ghost footprint qualify for using deviation bank money to buy a ticket within 3 calendar days?