cliffnd

I believe the 2/3 rules only apply to meeting consolidating requirements.


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Nightflyer

Which is why the union and the company should work together to fix it in order to help the international crew members that are affected.

Birdsmash

How often does FDX fly the 777 with only a crew of 2? I assume ANC/MEM when they make the stopover?

Adlerdriver

Much more than it sounds like you’re aware of:
EWR out and backs from MEM
MEM-IND
MEM-OAK
OAK-SEA
SEA-ANC
LAX-HNL + reverse
CDG-CGN + rev
CGN-CDG-MUC-FRA
DXB-MXP
DXB-SIN
DXB-HKG
DXB-CDG
DXB-BOM
BOM-CAN
HKG-KIX
KIX-NRT
KIX-CAN
ICN-KIX
ICN-CAN + rev
CAN-DEL + rev
DEL-DXB + rev
NRT-TPE
TPE-KIX,
SIN-KIX
CAN-NRT
CAN-SIN
SIN-SYD
PVG-NRT + rev
PVG-KIX + rev
NRT-ICN
ICN-SZX
SZX-KIX
ICN-HKG
NRT-PEK, PEK-PVG
LGG-DXB
LGG-MUC
There’s probably more but that’s a good sample.

appDude

Previous posts have said 100/30 is calendar month.
This may or may not be true.
Sometimes it is 30 consecutive days.
The FARs are very hard to apply to FedEx cuz we fly a very mixed schedule of 2 3 and 4 man cockpit and domestic and international.
Very often in the same month.
They seem to be crafted around the PAX guys that do ATL MXP ATL 4 times that month and then ATL LHR ATL 4 times the next month.
In the past, I have asked the union and company scheduling for some specifics but can get none.
What is a calendar day? Local? Zulu? 0130 to 0129 LBD?

some snippets of some POSSIBLE applicable FARs:
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§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.
(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;
(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;
(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;

Flag
121.481 - Flight time limitations: One or two pilot crews.
This subpart prescribes flight time limitations and rest requirements for flag all-cargo operations....

§ 121.481 - Flight time limitations: One or two pilot crews.
(d) No pilot may fly more than 32 hours during any seven consecutive days, and each pilot must be relieved from all duty for at least 24 consecutive hours at least once during any seven consecutive days.
(e) No pilot may fly as a member of a crew more than 100 hours during any one calendar month.
(f) No pilot may fly as a member of a crew more than 1,000 hours during any 12-calendar-month period.

§ 121.483 - Flight time limitations: Two pilots and one additional flight crewmember.
(c) No pilot may fly as a flight crewmember more than -
(1) 120 hours during any 30 consecutive days;
(2) 300 hours during any 90 consecutive days; or
(3) 1,000 hours during any 12-calendar-month period.

§ 121.487 - Flight time limitations: Pilots not regularly assigned.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) through (e) of this section, a pilot who is not regularly assigned as a flight crewmember for an entire calendar month under § 121.483 or 121.485 may not fly more than 100 hours in any 30 consecutive days.
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extremely confusing to apply to our schedules

Birdsmash

Wow! I knew there had to be more but not that many. Sorry to wear out your typing fingers. Haha

FedupFlex

Under FAR121 Flag/Domestic rules, The 100-in-30 applies to any pilot regardless of assigned crew position, and it is not prorated (as in Consolidation). The 30 days are a rolling 30, not calendar or bid period. Be aware though, CRS may remove you from that juicy trip (or nasty trip if you are strategically bidding) after the bid award if you are projected to exceed 100-in-30.

Adlerdriver

Where do see this? FARs Appdude posted, while potentially difficult to interpret, make a very clear distinction between 2-pilot crews and RFOs on augmented crews. I’ve worked under Flag and Supp rules and your crew position does make a difference to which limit applies (100 vs 120) and calendar vs 30 day rolling.

Timeoff2fish

I emailed crew planning about this exact issue.

This is the response:

"The FLAG/DOM rules are as follows:

1. 100 hours in a month if you are assigned all of the time as part of a two man crew (121.481).

2. 100 hours in 30 consecutive days if you are assigned as part of a two, three, or four man crew (121.487).

3. 120 hours in 30 consecutive days if you are assigned exclusively to a three and four man crew (121.483).

Be aware that we still have segments that operate under Supplemental rules. If a segment operates under Supplemental rules, 100 hours in 30 consecutive days apply (121.503), and 120 hours in 30 days apply if assigned exclusively to a three or four man crew (121.521)"

That is the goods.

So the real hitch is when you fly a combination of trips that are 2, 3, and 4 man crew segments. 121.487 is the most restrictive (and also the most difficult to avoid as it takes some ciphering) with a 100 hour limit in 30 consecutive rolling days. So buyer beware if you fly a combination of FO and RFO trips.

Also note when crew planning uses the word "month" that should mean a calendar month as defined by the FAA, not a bid month. These are two different things that could become a problem with carryover and five week bid months.

It sure would be nice to have a way to bid around this. BidX Mobile has a "Check block in 30" option but even PH says it is not bulletproof. The word on the street is that the company uses a rolling 95 hours in 30 days (for 2,3, and 4 man crewed trips) during bid processing to determine legality so that is the number I use.

YMMV.

Nightflyer

Thanks for the clarification, Timeoff.

So, if they put my question into the bid, "If you have a 100 in 30 or 120 in 30 issue, would you like to default to your next bid line?", wouldn't that solve the problem?

If you select yes, you don't have to worry about it anymore.

If you select no, you might have your entire bid month dropped, which might be your preference in some cases.

It sure would be nice if the union would take action on this and find a solution.