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Old 11-18-2019, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Skytrucker01 View Post
actual CJOs like those in Oct (the hiring Dept changed their methodology around them).
I have only heard of successful applicants receiving phone calls with the job offer, nothing official in writing until a class date is offered. Can you elaborate as to what the actual CJOs were for those in Aug and Oct.
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Old 11-18-2019, 07:09 PM
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Prior to Sep, we basically got a call from hiring who said, congratulations on a successful day 2, we’ll be in touch when we have a class for you. Starting sometime in Sep/Oct, people that had a successful day 2 got phone calls that involved one or more fleet capts and a senior pilot in the hiring dept (conference call style) actually saying the words “job offer” and even an estimate of a class date (which all went down the drain with the training freeze).

Yes, it’s nuanced and, yes, this is second hand info because, as I said, I got my call in August. Friends of mine who successfully interviewed after I did passed along the above info when we were reveling in our good fortunes together.

Basically it was a change in notification format from what I gather. Nothing major, but a positive change...puts a little more personal touch to the process.

Hopefully that makes sense...not trying to stir the pot at all...just pass a long that the notification process had changed over the last few months.


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Old 11-18-2019, 07:14 PM
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Good info, thank you for expanding.
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Old 11-18-2019, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
The "big six" of FDX, UPS, SWA, DAL, UAL and AAL will be the very last to feel any pinch in pilot supply, well after you begin seeing it in on-demand cargo carriers, DHL/Amazon contract carriers, ACMI airlines, regional airlines, and ULCCs.



Why? Because these six airlines provide the best compensation, benefits and career progression and will draw from every source of qualified pilots available.



I wouldn't hold my breath for the "pilot shortage" to factor at FDX anymore than I would for single pilot Part 25 operations to provide relief from such "shortage".

If there were to be a pilot shortage, FDX and UPS would feel it before AAL, DAL, SWA, UAL. And I’m not as optimistic as you are.
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Old 11-18-2019, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot View Post
I’m still puzzled why there seems to be this misconception that regional folks don’t want to come here. They do, and a lot already have been. Lots of people from SkyWest, Compass, and Republic in particular from that I’ve seen. There are certainly less, which makes sense because we’re a lot smaller than a legacy airline.

My assertion is just anecdotal from taking to them for 12 years in the cockpit, crew room, layovers, etc. About 10% of them have cargo at their top destination. That’s not to say that the other 90% don’t go to cargo, especially if that the first or only job offer they have.
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:15 PM
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My assertion is just anecdotal from taking to them for 12 years in the cockpit, crew room, layovers, etc. About 10% of them have cargo at their top destination. That’s not to say that the other 90% don’t go to cargo, especially if that the first or only job offer they have.
Maybe that’s just how the pilot group was where you were at? I was at SkyWest, and many of the people I flew with had FedEx as a top choice. Flying UEX stuff has a tendency to make one hate everything about passenger carriers.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:32 PM
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Great info for poolies here, guys.

The hiring has slowed, but with peak behind us and a new bid on the way out, the new year should reveal a more complete plan for hiring. Don’t let it get you down.

I know many of you wanted the unfettered opinions of random ex-regional pilots on what proportion of individual demographics want a pilot job at FX. With those successfully aired, I think that horse is dead. Let’s show it some mercy.
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Old 11-19-2019, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot View Post
Maybe that’s just how the pilot group was where you were at? I was at SkyWest, and many of the people I flew with had FedEx as a top choice. Flying UEX stuff has a tendency to make one hate everything about passenger carriers.

I spent many hours in skywest jumpseats. My experience with them was about the same but not quite as disproportionate, like you say.

As for where I was, XJT, at first many didn’t ever want to work for CAL/UAL. But once we saw that it was the same everywhere else (DAL, AAL, Jetblue, frontier, midway), pilots just realized it’s just the way it is. Each system has its issues but all entirely a different animal than cargo, perceptually in a not as good of a way.
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Old 11-19-2019, 03:15 AM
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I know many of you wanted the unfettered opinions of random ex-regional pilots on what proportion of individual demographics want a pilot job at FX. With those successfully aired, I think that horse is dead. Let’s show it some mercy.

Love your phrasing here. And I’m guilty of contributing to that derailment. My apologies.

I have a Sep interview/hire buddy in the pool. Although I have no direct line to decision makers in HR, after a few years of observing the system bid cycle, it doesn’t seem realistic that hiring will begin anew until after our 2020 system bid closes. More than likely in the spring, of the last few cycles are any indicator.

We never know exactly when the company will offer a system bid. It’s certainly a negative QoL aspect of FDX life WRT life planning around when we will go to training/upgrade. BUT...it’s also the reason why the company is able to hire into all potential seats.

I was hired directly into WB FO. So on one hand I’d like some more company transparency WRT system bids / bidding for training, I’d be complaining from the lofty WB FO perch. Doesn’t make sense.
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Old 11-19-2019, 05:18 AM
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As someone who would love to be in the lofty WB FO seat, when does the system bid close out? Or haven’t they announced it yet?


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