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Old 12-04-2019, 07:29 AM
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C2078 is a UPS guy I think, and he’s talking about our 757/767s being converted to Rockwel Collins LDS.
Yes, Boiler, forgot to clarify. Thank you.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:45 AM
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C2078 is a UPS guy I think, and he’s talking about our 757/767s being converted to Rockwel Collins LDS.
While we're just hoping for a single avionics setup instead of the variety pack currently installed across the 757 fleet.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:09 AM
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I’ve heard A330s and A321s being the MD-11 and 757 replacement lately.

Of course, the 737-800/900 is always thrown out there and you would assume the company has the data they need on whether they want more 737s based on their experiences with ASL and West Atlantic flying the -400s/-800s for us in Europe.

I would think if they can get Boeing to commit to the 767X, the company would prefer that. The wingspan would be similar to the MD-11. Further, from I have heard, the company wanted the 767-400 initially, but got a sweetheart deal for the -300s.

That being said, FedEx and UPS seem to like the idea of a A330-900 and from what I gather, it is a slow seller. Maybe Airbus would like to make a deal. We all know Fred loves a deal. But, I would think with the constant issue of gate space at the outstations and Hubs, the wingspan of the A330 might be an issue.
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:25 AM
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330-900 has a wingspan just 2.5’ shorter than the 777F, and the 330-200/300 is about 27’ wider than the MD11.
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Old 12-08-2019, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OKLATEX View Post

Of course, the 737-800/900 is always thrown out there and you would assume the company has the data they need on whether they want more 737s based on their experiences with ASL and West Atlantic flying the -400s/-800s for us in Europe.
Saw a picture recently of a 737 painted in FedEx colors. I take it that’s one of the ASL/West Atlantic ones you’re referring to. Surprised that your scope allows that- Delta mgmt tried to sneak into their last contract a provision that would allow them to paint the Delta livery on their JV “partners”... think a Delta 787/A380 with a tiny “operated by AirFrance/KLM” on the side. What are the limits on FedEx doing the same?
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FedEx owned and painted 757s flying intra Canada also by Canadians.
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Old 12-08-2019, 09:46 AM
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Saw a picture recently of a 737 painted in FedEx colors. I take it that’s one of the ASL/West Atlantic ones you’re referring to. Surprised that your scope allows that- Delta mgmt tried to sneak into their last contract a provision that would allow them to paint the Delta livery on their JV “partners”... think a Delta 787/A380 with a tiny “operated by AirFrance/KLM” on the side. What are the limits on FedEx doing the same?


This fall, saw with my own eyes—multiple 73s with FedEx liveries at LGG. The TNT dudes fly them. I did a double take for sure.
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Originally Posted by thrust View Post
Saw a picture recently of a 737 painted in FedEx colors. I take it that’s one of the ASL/West Atlantic ones you’re referring to. Surprised that your scope allows that- Delta mgmt tried to sneak into their last contract a provision that would allow them to paint the Delta livery on their JV “partners”... think a Delta 787/A380 with a tiny “operated by AirFrance/KLM” on the side. What are the limits on FedEx doing the same?
Back in the day Delta used to fly Pan Am colored DC-8s on an interchange with Pan American, so it’s been done! I know different world we are living in.

I’ll be honest, I haven’t checked the routes of those the 737s and assume the Union keeps a close eye on compliance. Our SCOPE is very good. Of course always could be better.

Personally, I wish the flying was ours, we do have the Cologne Domicile and would be nice to see that grow. That being said, the fact the airplanes wear FDX colors doesn’t really concern me. What I do hope is that I hope the Union is assuring SCOPE compliance and there is a good faith effort by the company to get the flying back to us. They tend to prefer the flying to be in-house. If painting the airplanes in FDX helps with marketing and benefits the company in Europe, so be it. What’s the difference between a 737 wearing FDX colors and an EMB-175 wearing DAL/AA/UAL colors honestly. Bottom line, Compliance is the biggest concern to me.

That being said, and most importantly, in this instance, those 737s at ASL, West Atlantic, and the Morning Star 757s in Canada fly for us wearing FDX colors because of a lack of 5th Freedom Rights/Route Authority and Cabotage which is allowed in our Contract.

We actually train the Morning Star Crews, or at least used to. The 737s are result of the TNT Merger, the Intra-Canada flying with Morning Star has gone on for a long time, prior to that they flew 727s.

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Old 12-08-2019, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thrust View Post
Saw a picture recently of a 737 painted in FedEx colors. I take it that’s one of the ASL/West Atlantic ones you’re referring to. Surprised that your scope allows that- Delta mgmt tried to sneak into their last contract a provision that would allow them to paint the Delta livery on their JV “partners”... think a Delta 787/A380 with a tiny “operated by AirFrance/KLM” on the side. What are the limits on FedEx doing the same?

Basically anything over 60k pounds MGTW must be flow by FedEx pilots unless FedEx doesn’t have regulatory approval (cabotage). There are a few exceptions.
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Originally Posted by OKLATEX View Post



I’ll be honest, I haven’t checked the routes of those the 737s and assume the Union keeps a close eye on compliance. Our SCOPE is very good. Of course always could be better.



Personally, I wish the flying was ours, we do have the Cologne Domicile and would be nice to see that grow. That being said, the fact the airplanes wear FDX colors doesn’t really concern me. What I do hope is that I hope the Union is assuring SCOPE compliance and there is a good faith effort by the company to get the flying back to us. They tend to prefer the flying to be in-house. If painting the airplanes in FDX helps with marketing and benefits the company in Europe, so be it. What’s the difference between a 737 wearing FDX colors and an EMB-175 wearing DAL/AA/UAL colors honestly. Bottom line, Compliance is the biggest concern to me.

There are loopholes big enough for a 777 to fly through in our scope section, if management wanted to. Also, I’d personally like to see language added to preclude feeders from operating any jet. To me, there is a big difference between a 737 and a 175. Both should be flown by FedEx pilots if FedEx ever bought either type.
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